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Old 06-23-2011, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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you dont get the point

1. there should be NO SUCH THING as ANY TYPE of affirmative action
I don't disagree with you, but preference for hiring vets isn't affirmative action. I've already explained why.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:57 AM
 
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Incorrect. The Uniformed Services Employment And Reemployment Rights Act of 1994 (USERRA) is a federal law and applies to all States and US territories. If a military member leaves their civilian job for service in the military, they are entitled to return to that job, with accrued seniority, provided they meet the law's eligibility criteria.
I'm well aware of the law, glitch. So are the employers of the Reservists I work with who lay them off a week after coming off of mobilization orders. Nice isn't it? That's Right-to-Work for you. You get to fire at will. I'm not making this up. It happens all the time.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I'm well aware of the law, glitch. So are the employers of the Reservists I work with who lay them off a week after coming off of mobilization orders. Nice isn't it? That's Right-to-Work for you. You get to fire at will. I'm not making this up. It happens all the time.
As it should be. Why should any business be forced to keep an unproductive worker? Just because they belong to a socialist union? I think not. Employees are there to make the business a profit. That is their purpose. The day they cease fulfilling that purpose is the same day they should be fired, and it does not matter if they are in the military or not. Military service only ensures they can get back their old job, it does not mean they can keep it.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:04 PM
 
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As it should be. Why should any business be forced to keep an unproductive worker? Just because they belong to a socialist union? I think not. Employees are there to make the business a profit. That is their purpose. The day they cease fulfilling that purpose is the same day they should be fired, and it does not matter if they are in the military or not. Military service only ensures they can get back their old job, it does not mean they can keep it.
lolol... cool. I realize you don't support protections for anyone. You're not singling out military members for special screw-you treatment. You do realize though that Reservists have no protection now though, right? A guy could be a highly productive, good employee... he gets activated for a deployment, he's out of a job. In a right-to-work state the employer just brings him back for a day, says, see, I gave him his job back .. but oops, looks like he didn't work out. Good luck, son.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I think that people with the correct qualifications should get preference, and leave it at that.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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Considering that veterans are 50% more likely to become homeless than other people, and this has been true for decades, I don't think we need to worry that we've been giving them too many entitlements. I know these are hard times for a lot of people, but veterans have historically had a hard time finding employment.
Maybe being able to wipe out an enemy positon is not a "skill" that many employers need in the private sector. I will bet that vets that got training that could be leveraged into a private sector job (heavy equipment operator, computer specialist, medical tech) have no problem finding employment.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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I do not think they should get preference in hiring. I think they should be thanked for their service, but that's as far as it goes. Let's remember, it's not like they didn't sign up for it and get paid.

And if vets should get special preference in hiring, then so should every cop, any teacher in an inner city, and even the graveyard shift 711 clerk.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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I never thought I'd live to see the day when "Don't forget- hire the vet." would be seen as almost a commie pinko idea.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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lolol... cool. I realize you don't support protections for anyone. You're not singling out military members for special screw-you treatment. You do realize though that Reservists have no protection now though, right? A guy could be a highly productive, good employee... he gets activated for a deployment, he's out of a job. In a right-to-work state the employer just brings him back for a day, says, see, I gave him his job back .. but oops, looks like he didn't work out. Good luck, son.
Those in the military make both good and bad employees, just like everyone else. An employer should not be forced to keep a bad employee, whether they are in the military or not. I have absolutely no problem with giving a veteran their old job back, but there is no guarantee that they will be able to keep that job.

As I previous posted, USERRA applies to reservists as well as the National Guard. So reservists are indeed protected under federal law. If they are a good employee, then they should be able to keep their job when they return from Active Duty. After all, what employer does not want a good employee? If they are a bad employee, then it would not surprise me to see them lose their old job shortly after it is given back to them. Thankfully, that is a business decision in Right-To-Work states and not left up to the socialist union fascists who think they have a right to be employed.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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I never thought I'd live to see the day when "Don't forget- hire the vet." would be seen as almost a commie pinko idea.
I'm not sure what your getting at here, but if those in the military would go on strike and stand up to DC and say, no, we refuse to fight these useless wars anymore and put down their guns, THEN I'd be more than happy to see preferential hiring, as I would see I was hiring a person of conviction and character.
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