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You're still considered a veteran even if you don't see combat.
Hell, the overwhelming majority of the Air Force and Navy don't even know what a gun looks like but they are veterans.
WestCobb has a bone to pick with you. I just made this point, and got shot down.
No one's saying they're not veterans. We're merely arguing with the assumption that they're in mortal danger all the time like Army vets coming out of Restrepo. Again, I submit that cops and teachers in rough neighborhoods probably have higher injury/mortality rates than the armed forces as a whole.
You're still considered a veteran even if you don't see combat.
Hell, the overwhelming majority of the Air Force and Navy don't even know what a gun looks like but they are veterans.
I guess right now that's probably true. I think as long as you are serving during "active operations" you get the points. There were no operations going on the whole time my husband was in, so no points. Fortunately, we didn't need them!
Too bad. I know a kid who is a complete moron who is about to get out of the Navy. He spend all his time in Oaklahoma or something.
Not that I'd paint all, or even most military veterans with this brush, but every single kid I went to high school with who ended up in the military did so because of (a) total lack of other options and/or (b) he was encouraged to do so by exasperated parents and teachers who couldn't handle the scumbag kid anymore.
Probably shouldn't have even brought that up, considering how veterans respond when you say this, but it's true in my experience.
It was even more true with the draft in the 60s, when college deferments didn't work for working-class kids who weren't college-ready. You ended up with insanely high drug-use levels in the military, and a low-morale force.
WestCobb has a bone to pick with you. I just made this point, and got shot down.
No one's saying they're not veterans. We're merely arguing with the assumption that they're in mortal danger all the time like Army vets coming out of Restrepo. Again, I submit that cops and teachers in rough neighborhoods probably have higher injury/mortality rates than the armed forces as a whole.
Actually I do, clownster. I made a distinction between the Army and Marines and the Navy and Air Force for a reason. No doubt, the Army and the Marines have seen the majority of the action for the past 10 years. Seriously, you'd be hard pressed to find a member of either services who doesn't have at least one combat deployment under their belt at this late date.
Sailors and Airmen have deployed less; however, the Navy, at least, (maybe Air Force too) implemented an Individual Augmentee program years ago, so many Sailors have been doing their time in the desert too. I'm not in the Navy, so I don't know what the percentages are, but I do know that whenever I go back to the sandbox, I see Sailors there digging around too... as well as Airmen. Oh, and they have guns too!
Actually I do, clownster. I made a distinction between the Army and Marines and the Navy and Air Force for a reason. No doubt, the Army and the Marines have seen the majority of the action for the past 10 years. Seriously, you'd be hard pressed to find a member of either services who doesn't have at least one combat deployment under their belt at this late date.
Sailors and Airmen have deployed less; however, the Navy, at least, (maybe Air Force too) implemented an Individual Augmentee program years ago, so many Sailors have been doing their time in the desert too. I'm not in the Navy, so I don't know what the percentages are, but I do know that whenever I go back to the sandbox, I see Sailors there digging around too... as well as Airmen. Oh, and they have guns too!
I think what he's saying is that it isn't that these people are "problem employees", they have just been effectively replaced during their absence. So, they bring them back on-board just long enough to satisfy the law and then lay them off, since they already have someone doing that job.
It happens to good workers. I promise.
That makes no sense. Why would an employer give a good employee their job back only to fire them after fulfilling the minimum requirements under the law? Businesses want to keep good employees, they do not look for the first opportunity to be rid of them.
They already get these points by virtue of having that service on their resume. Nothing stops them from impressing interviewers with an incredible account of their harrowing experiences when the employer asks "how have you dealt with pressure situations." That serves as its own merit in comparison with someone who merely handled a tough lunch-rush while a server at Applebee's.
I don't like the idea of automatic "points" altering the hiring methods. The experience already does that in terms of a wow-factor for the hiring personnel.
You might be surprised by the number of people who absolutely loath the military, particularly in California. If not for the federal law, they would never give a veteran their old job back.
In the federal government, they should get the preferred hiring treatment. In the private sector it's up to the business owner to determine their hiring criteria not the federal government. For state and county jobs, they should put it on the ballot and let each state's citizens decide.
You might be surprised by the number of people who absolutely loath the military, particularly in California. If not for the federal law, they would never give a veteran their old job back.
After we sell California to the Chinese to pay off our debt, we can let the Chinese worry about it.
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