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I can go to ANY doctor i wish to see NO you can't. You have to use an acredited Doctor used by your Insurance Company and on their "panel" of Doctors. If you use an outside Doctor it costs you much more. You can pick any Doctor (GP) you want if you pay cash and if their surgery isn't full. With a UHC you can use any local Doctor as your G.P. and wherever you are in that Nation you can go see a Doctor without charge. NOT here... Once out of your State you are screwed.
government care is crappy care(because they dont PAY)
And i suppose you have used Govt healt care? This is how crappy it is, and this is just ONE example........
My Father was admitted into a local Hospital in London UK. He had a Cardiac Arrest at 3am and was deffibed 5 times. He was dead 10 minutes and the Doctors did not give up even though my Father was 88. They got him back and took him to a Critical care ward where specialised cardiac nurses were with him 24/7. We were told by the Doctors that because he had been dead for 10 mins they were not sure how much damage was done to his heart etc but they would NOT give up. The medical staff did everything humanly possible to help Dad. To cut a long story short... My father was seen by a top Cardiac surgeon and had major heart surgery.... Double bypass, mytral valve replacement and a pacemaker fitted. My Father came out of Hospital and even passed his London Taxi driver heart medical, passed it and is the Oldest Taxi Driver in London. He will celebrate his 90th Birthday next Month and is now in good health and has regular tests and constant monitoring by the NHS.
iF THIS IS "Crappy Care" then you are not looking at facts but just talking RUBBISH.
Not your fault really as the only info you have about a UHC is from people who have a vested interest in keeping a expensive and inneficient system of Health Care in the USA............. Sad really.
government care is crappy care(because they dont PAY)
You maybe be correct WCH. However, I can say with experience even with the ability to see any doctor I or my wife chooses on top of the fact our money and coverage was very good does not in the slightest mean that you are going to get better care. In my experience, dealing with my wife's neurological condition it has been pathetic to down right absolute ignorance, even though we live in an area chock full of doctors.
And i suppose you have used Govt healt care? This is how crappy it is, and this is just ONE example........
My Father was admitted into a local Hospital in London UK. He had a Cardiac Arrest at 3am and was deffibed 5 times. He was dead 10 minutes and the Doctors did not give up even though my Father was 88. They got him back and took him to a Critical care ward where specialised cardiac nurses were with him 24/7. We were told by the Doctors that because he had been dead for 10 mins they were not sure how much damage was done to his heart etc but they would NOT give up. The medical staff did everything humanly possible to help Dad. To cut a long story short... My father was seen by a top Cardiac surgeon and had major heart surgery.... Double bypass, mytral valve replacement and a pacemaker fitted. My Father came out of Hospital and even passed his London Taxi driver heart medical, passed it and is the Oldest Taxi Driver in London. He will celebrate his 90th Birthday next Month and is now in good health and has regular tests and constant monitoring by the NHS.
iF THIS IS "Crappy Care" then you are not looking at facts but just talking RUBBISH.
Not your fault really as the only info you have about a UHC is from people who have a vested interest in keeping a expensive and inneficient system of Health Care in the USA............. Sad really.
Your personal experience does not invalidate the claim, it only invalidates an absolute of all instances being of such. Your experience does not account for the fact that the trend may be poor for such, even though you experienced something that wasn't.
Last edited by CaseyB; 08-31-2011 at 10:31 AM..
Reason: off topic/rude
And i suppose you have used Govt healt care? This is how crappy it is, and this is just ONE example........
My Father was admitted into a local Hospital in London UK. He had a Cardiac Arrest at 3am and was deffibed 5 times. He was dead 10 minutes and the Doctors did not give up even though my Father was 88. They got him back and took him to a Critical care ward where specialised cardiac nurses were with him 24/7. We were told by the Doctors that because he had been dead for 10 mins they were not sure how much damage was done to his heart etc but they would NOT give up. The medical staff did everything humanly possible to help Dad. To cut a long story short... My father was seen by a top Cardiac surgeon and had major heart surgery.... Double bypass, mytral valve replacement and a pacemaker fitted. My Father came out of Hospital and even passed his London Taxi driver heart medical, passed it and is the Oldest Taxi Driver in London. He will celebrate his 90th Birthday next Month and is now in good health and has regular tests and constant monitoring by the NHS.
iF THIS IS "Crappy Care" then you are not looking at facts but just talking RUBBISH.
Not your fault really as the only info you have about a UHC is from people who have a vested interest in keeping a expensive and inneficient system of Health Care in the USA............. Sad really.
Congratulations to your father and your family! The oldest taxi driver in London is something I'm sure he is very proud of. I bet he knows that city inside and out.
You maybe be correct WCH. However, I can say with experience even with the ability to see any doctor I or my wife chooses on top of the fact our money and coverage was very good does not in the slightest mean that you are going to get better care. In my experience, dealing with my wife's neurological condition it has been pathetic to down right absolute ignorance, even though we live in an area chock full of doctors.
Good point, but... in a private system, depending on the coverage you choose, you can always dismiss that doctor and go to another. My grandmother got cancer, she went to one doctor and because of her age, the idiot simply started prepping her for dying (setting up a plan of care to comfort her as she died).
They told the doctor to take a hike and sought another professional who evaluated, put her on a special new treatment and the cancer is gone. If he had said the same, she would have continued on looking for more opinions until she was satisfied.
In a government controlled and limited system, that sort of open ablity is non-existent. Depending on the plan, a private system allows for far more flexibility than that of a government one.
A) Every American citizen is Entitled to the Best Healthcare they can Afford
or
B) For American citizens, the quality of health care should not be predicated on their ability to pay. In other words, poor citizens deserve the same quality of health care as wealthy citizens.
Don't ask me how important someone else's health is to me.
Ask them how important it is to them.
If you cannot afford health insurance, stay away from unhealthy activities.
We all should, but if you do not provide coverage for yourself and/or your family, you should eat healthy and exercise. You should not smoke or drink or do drugs.
If you choose to do so, you will suffer the consequences both in health and in your pocket.
Don't ask me how important someone else's health is to me.
Ask them how important it is to them.
If you cannot afford health insurance, stay away from unhealthy activities.
We all should, but if you do not provide coverage for yourself and/or your family, you should eat healthy and exercise. You should not smoke or drink or do drugs.
If you choose to do so, you will suffer the consequences both in health and in your pocket.
After all, who else should pay for you?
And this is where this type of mandate leads.
When you make the "people" responsible for the individual, you seed the need for the people to dictate the lifestyle of the individual in order to protect the investment made on the individual.
Nothing in life is free and those who think getting free medical care or heavily subsidized care is going to come without strings attached, they are naive and delusional.
You see this all the time in governments. They give (mandated "gift"), but then they require you live according to their conditions. Since you can not refuse to contribute, you also can not refuse to follow the conditions. It is the ultimate attack on liberty and it gets greedy irresponsible people to promote a system that eventually makes them a slave to it.
Good point, but... in a private system, depending on the coverage you choose, you can always dismiss that doctor and go to another. My grandmother got cancer, she went to one doctor and because of her age, the idiot simply started prepping her for dying (setting up a plan of care to comfort here as she died).
They told the doctor to take a hike and sought another professional who evaluated, put her on a special new treatment and the cancer is gone. If he had said the same, she would have continued on looking for more opinions until she was satisfied.
In a government controlled and limited system, that sort of open ablity is non-existent. Depending on the plan, a private system allows for far more flexibility than that of a government one.
Yes and no. Our system, or may I say parts or layers of our system is government run and runs well such as the VA and medicare. On the other hand there are private insurance plans that simply suck, stink, blow and are pathetic such as HMOs. I have experience with HMOs and cadillac coverage which is much better (cadillac coverage) to say the least. A doctor beholden to his contract with a particular insurance company will treat that patient according to such insurance. Another words if you have a serious disease with HMO coverage you may not get proper treatment at all, and get discouraged. With very good coverage that same doctor most likely will go the extra mile for you. But you'd never know it.
Yes and no. Our system, or may I say parts or layers of our system is government run and runs well such as the VA and medicare. On the other hand there are private insurance plans that simply suck, stink, blow and are pathetic such as HMOs. I have experience with HMOs and cadillac coverage which is much better (cadillac coverage) to say the least. A doctor beholden to his contract with a particular insurance company will treat that patient according to such insurance. Another words if you have a serious disease with HMO coverage you may not get proper treatment at all, and get discouraged. With very good coverage that same doctor most likely will go the extra mile for you. But you'd never know it.
I don't know about VA, in fact it is often a heavy point of contention for the failures of in is ability to handle the veterans. Remember not too long ago all the news on the failure of the government to deal with it? The turn away's, the poor conditions, etc...
Medicine is also heavily infested with bureaucratic process. Our drugs go through severe processes that are often only a cost of bureaucracy, not any reasonable need for the steps of the process to which drive costs and pander to cronyism.
So I disagree on those issues, but I do agree with you concerning HMO's and the like with their restrictions and conditions that appear to be more of a governmental maze run appealing to its own bureaucracy. I think things would be far better if government simply pulled out of the business entirely and treated each "violation" to the individual as it occurred. Preemptive government action always ends up being a worthless expenditure in my opinion.
Maybe you should read about the entire site before you make such claims?
This is from the main site, notice it is specifically on topic for "US Cities". Naturally, simple deductive reasoning implies that the sub topics are intended to be related to that of the over all focus being "the US" and views of various issues by its residents.
Now you might have a point if there were forums for other countries here and specific to other countries point of view. I mean, they segregate cities into separate forums to allow different discussion from localized people from those regions.
There are not other countries here.
Maybe next time, do a bit more reading before you come off with such arrogance as you espouse ignorant claims.
Look again, there are forums for other countries here.
Talk about ignorance and arrogance...
Until you can prove to me that the Politics and Other Controversies forum is reserved solely for US residents I stand by my word.
Furthermore, I expect you to never comment on any thread that contains any reference to any country except the US...and I expect you to point out to other users that they must never make any reference to anything that takes place outside the US.
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