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Old 02-03-2012, 08:45 PM
 
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Komen/Romney Romney/Komen Flip flopping does not become either one.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:50 PM
 
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Self breast exams are the ONLY OPTION for women under 35. Even women with a family history are not routinely given mammograms until they are 35 (insurance will not cover it younger than that).

Thousands of woman and men are diagnosed with breast cancer under 40 - many with no family history. Young adult breast cancer tends to be more aggressive. PP is incredibly effective at catching reproductive cancers (and other cancers) in young adults - without PP, many young adults would not get a yearly pap or breast exam. These exams can also catch lymphoma and other tumors. Young adults are routinely diagnosed in late stages (I was Stage IV) because we are underinsured or uninsured (because we're generally healthy). Many young women go to Planned Parenthood for yearly gyn exams and that's how so many of us are diagnosed.

Young adult survivors are already a vulnerable population. Planned Parenthood losing funding makes us even more difficult to reach.
The bolded part is not true, breast cancer runs in my family and I get a mammogram once a year and I am only 32. Also, my insurance does pay for it..
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:53 PM
 
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Most Americans when polled feel that abortion should only be legal under specific circumstances otherwise it's illegal. The baby killers in this thread are a minority. Roe V Wade will eventually be overturned we just need the right people in supreme court.
And what poll is that because I think you are wrong. I do believe the majority is pro-choice. Sorry but I think it will never be overturned and it shouldn't.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:54 PM
 
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The bolded part is not true, breast cancer runs in my family and I get a mammogram once a year and I am only 32. Also, my insurance does pay for it..
Ditto. My insurance paid for my mammogram in my late teens / early 20s. I wasn't even classified as high risk then.
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:22 PM
 
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One person's inconvenience doesn't trump another's right to live. In most cases, they have their own short sightedness to blame for getting pregnant before they wanted to. Consequences.

In many cases it's not a matter of just anyone caring for them, it may take a very educated, specialist to care for some people, something in short supply often.
"their own shortsightedness to blame" so it is about punishment then?

specialized care or not anyone in theory can care for someone once born. this is not true in utero
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:28 PM
 
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Really?

Parents are not forced to care for their children? Is child neglect no longer illegal?

Non-custodial fathers aren't forced to make child support payments under threat of imprisonment?

Sorry but you'll have to come up with a better argument than that.
it is a simple. why you can't grasp it is beyond me. difference between a developing fetus inside a womb that is dependent on that one and only person to survive, and that would not be able to live outside of said womb until it is born. vs a baby born which anyone willing can take care of. sure parents take care of their children, anyone can be a "parent" unlike the womb of a woman
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:35 PM
 
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There are three people involved with every pregnancy: a mother, father, and a baby. Regarding abortion, as with any murder, anyone has a right to condemn it.
I find it ironic that a hunter is talking about murder.

I find it ironic that a man is deciding what should be done with a woman's body.

I find it ironic that anyone can tell anyone else how to live.

With that said...

I can, however, understand your sympathy for an unborn child and feeling the need to be a voice for those who can't speak (I was once pro-life myself). That is very admirable.

Unfortunately, making abortion illegal won't end abortion. It will simply revert back to how it was before it was legal - women having them done with dirty knives in some shack and risking their life. So what will that have accomplished? The unborn child will still die, only now you have the possibility of the woman losing her life as well. Mission not accomplished.

As I've gotten older, what I've learned is that while I wouldn't have an abortion (notice I didn't say never - if I were raped or it was a life-threatening high risk pregnancy, I'm sure I'd consider it), I am in no position to make that call for someone else. The same way I can't make the decision for you to not eat meat. If meat-eating were outlawed, would you still eat it? I'm willing to bet you'd take that bow, and do what you pleased. (Granted, it's presumptuous of me to assume that since you hunt, you eat meat, but just play along with me here.)

(Full disclaimer, I'm a 23-year vegetarian (with a partial stint as a vegan, and a pescetarian), however, I always maintained freedom of choice to the degree that before I had a college education and got an office job, I worked in a few steak houses. I may have never eaten a steak in my life, but who am I to enforce my beliefs on others?)

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Old 02-03-2012, 09:50 PM
 
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OK, on another note, this whole debate opened up a can of worms that I'm sure the Komen folks were not expecting. It has come to my attention that the organization spends 60% of its take on overhead, lawsuits, high salaries and administrative costs. Seems like an audit is long overdue. I've given to them in the past, but I'll be looking for another outfit that spends more of its $ on the people it serves. Komen is finished.
Your right and I feel PP ought to do the same, I mean after all, their making so much money, they can afford new buildings, opening up clinics, where does all the money go, take a look..............Planned Parenthood’s Abortions Every 95 SECONDS: PP Spent $1M Electing Democrats | Maggie's Notebook.

Remember that it is illegal to for abortions to be funded with taxpayer monies.
The Daley Gator:
Planned Parenthood performed 332,278 abortions in the United States in 2009, according to a fact sheet the group published last month.
That is about as many as the 333,012 people who lived in the city of Cincinnati, Ohio, in 2009, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
The 332,278 abortions Planned Parenthood performed over the 365 days of 2009 equals an average of 910 lives terminated per day – or about 38 per hour, or one every 95 seconds.
Planned Parenthood, according to its most recent annual report, also received $363.2 million in government grants and contracts during its fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2009.
Remember that it is illegal to for abortions to be funded with taxpayer monies.


NOW, THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO WIKIPEDIA STATS: As I was researching PP this week, before finding the Daley Gator article, I noted that Wikipedia states less than 2% of visits involve abortions, and then says “Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortions in the United States.” The 820 PP locations service 5 million clients per year, but the math doesn’t match their own propaganda.
If Planned Parenthood’s own public materials state they performed 332,278 abortions in 2009 – that’s far more than 2% their business, assuming the 5 million clients is correct – which would be about 100,000 abortions. If PP claims 332,000+ abortions, it reasonable to assume the number may be much larger – but we wouldn’t know, because they continually ignore requests for a Government Accountability Office (GAO) audit. The one time they did cooperate in an audit of years 2003-2008, only $657 million was accounted for, out of $1.3 million. Note also, that the $1.3 million has apparently soared to $363 million in Obama’s proposed budget, because that is the amount Republicans were trying to defund before a government shutdown last Friday, April 8th.

The Washington Times shows just how shadowy the organization is, April 5, 2011:
If the Government Accountability Office doesn’t know how much federal money Planned Parenthood has been given, how in the world can the taxpayers know? If Planned Parenthood is not held accountable to 32 members of Congress requesting information from the GAO about its income and expenditure of federal funds, how can we taxpayers ever hope to know to what extent Planned Parenthood is fleecing us? IsPlanned Parenthood really going to be allowed to ingest almost $1 million of taxpayer money every day (according to its annual report) and not be held accountable for how it spends it, then justify its lack of accountability by saying the Government Accountability Office doesn’t know how much federal money the abortion giant received?
Daley Gator makes the point that taxpayer participation theoretically pays for about $932.00 per abortion. The bottom line is, PP is the abortion refuge for America’s women, and we are naive to believe we are not enabling and paying for them.
The organization has some 700,000 “active donors – among them Warren Buffet, the Ford Foundation, Ted Turner and Bill and Melinda Gates, and unfortunately the Susan G. Komen Foundation for the Cure, which reportedly gave Planned Parenthood $731,000 in 2009.

The Planned Parenthood facility pictured above is a peanut next to the new mammoth facility recently opened in Houston, Texas, which serves as headquarters for 12 clinics in Texas and Louisiana. A full 78,000-square-foot structure cost $26M.


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Old 02-03-2012, 10:14 PM
 
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really? I took my ex to a planned parenthood clinic a few years ago and was told by them that planned parenthood does not provide mammograms or screen for cancer.
I'm assuming you are a man. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Screening for breast cancer is done routinely with a physical examination, and it's still a screening. The xray mammograms are expensive and from what I understand most PP don't have the actual mammogram. They refer out, just as most family practitioners and gynocologists do.

As for not screening for cancer, PP most certainly does. They have always done paps, and that is cancer screening. Breast exams are always done when a woman gets a pap. A pap is always done before a woman is prescribed birth control. That IS what PP does, and what they've always done. Since their inception that is what they are know for from normal people. Either your girlfriend lied to you, or you are confused, or lying. I know darn well you weren't in the exam room with her.

LOL, we women know what the hell happens and what is going on.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:24 PM
 
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Your right and I feel PP ought to do the same, I mean after all, their making so much money, they can afford new buildings, opening up clinics, where does all the money go, take a look..............Planned Parenthood’s Abortions Every 95 SECONDS: PP Spent $1M Electing Democrats | Maggie's Notebook.

Remember that it is illegal to for abortions to be funded with taxpayer monies.
The Daley Gator:
Planned Parenthood performed 332,278 abortions in the United States in 2009, according to a fact sheet the group published last month.
That is about as many as the 333,012 people who lived in the city of Cincinnati, Ohio, in 2009, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
The 332,278 abortions Planned Parenthood performed over the 365 days of 2009 equals an average of 910 lives terminated per day – or about 38 per hour, or one every 95 seconds.
Planned Parenthood, according to its most recent annual report, also received $363.2 million in government grants and contracts during its fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2009.
Remember that it is illegal to for abortions to be funded with taxpayer monies.


NOW, THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO WIKIPEDIA STATS: As I was researching PP this week, before finding the Daley Gator article, I noted that Wikipedia states less than 2% of visits involve abortions, and then says “Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortions in the United States.” The 820 PP locations service 5 million clients per year, but the math doesn’t match their own propaganda.
If Planned Parenthood’s own public materials state they performed 332,278 abortions in 2009 – that’s far more than 2% their business, assuming the 5 million clients is correct – which would be about 100,000 abortions. If PP claims 332,000+ abortions, it reasonable to assume the number may be much larger – but we wouldn’t know, because they continually ignore requests for a Government Accountability Office (GAO) audit. The one time they did cooperate in an audit of years 2003-2008, only $657 million was accounted for, out of $1.3 million. Note also, that the $1.3 million has apparently soared to $363 million in Obama’s proposed budget, because that is the amount Republicans were trying to defund before a government shutdown last Friday, April 8th.

The Washington Times shows just how shadowy the organization is, April 5, 2011:
If the Government Accountability Office doesn’t know how much federal money Planned Parenthood has been given, how in the world can the taxpayers know? If Planned Parenthood is not held accountable to 32 members of Congress requesting information from the GAO about its income and expenditure of federal funds, how can we taxpayers ever hope to know to what extent Planned Parenthood is fleecing us? IsPlanned Parenthood really going to be allowed to ingest almost $1 million of taxpayer money every day (according to its annual report) and not be held accountable for how it spends it, then justify its lack of accountability by saying the Government Accountability Office doesn’t know how much federal money the abortion giant received?
Daley Gator makes the point that taxpayer participation theoretically pays for about $932.00 per abortion. The bottom line is, PP is the abortion refuge for America’s women, and we are naive to believe we are not enabling and paying for them.
The organization has some 700,000 “active donors – among them Warren Buffet, the Ford Foundation, Ted Turner and Bill and Melinda Gates, and unfortunately the Susan G. Komen Foundation for the Cure, which reportedly gave Planned Parenthood $731,000 in 2009.

The Planned Parenthood facility pictured above is a peanut next to the new mammoth facility recently opened in Houston, Texas, which serves as headquarters for 12 clinics in Texas and Louisiana. A full 78,000-square-foot structure cost $26M.
You've got to quote from more objective sources, if you want intelligent posters to take your posts seriously.
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