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Old 02-10-2012, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Go find somewhere else to work. As you say this isn't the Dark Ages it's not like anyone has to work Church lands for their survival anymore.
It isn't about that or even contraception it's all about full out government exerting its control into every facet of our personal life.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:34 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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I don't think he was wrong. If I work for a group ... I have to believe everything they do? ... I don't think so. Why should I not have a benefit, just because you have some A$$ backwards way of thinking that dates back to the Dark Ages?
The administration made the right call, originally. However, it lost the war of words with the churches. WH and agency staffs let him down. Re-thinking a position is okay. Its done every day. I wish he'd stand and fight, though. He's been too willing to stick to his instincts, and compromise.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It isn't about that or even contraception it's all about full out government exerting its control into every facet of our personal life.
Then why did the GOP favor the same mandate in 2001? But not when Obama does?

Moreover, we have been doing this for quite some time. Read: //www.city-data.com/forum/22923212-post4.html
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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Go find somewhere else to work. As you say this isn't the Dark Ages it's not like anyone has to work Church lands for their survival anymore.
Better yet, how bout Catholic Hospitals choose to employ only those who are Catholic and subscribe to their "strict" beliefs?

(Probably because they wouldn't be able to fully staff them if they did this...)

Be careful here and determine who needs whom more before dealing in such absolutes.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:44 AM
 
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So the "Big Bully, non-American, Socialist president who refuses to work with Congress and refuses to compromise." DOES actually try to compromise....

But I guess it sounds better to say, "Obama caves"?
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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I don't think he was wrong. If I work for a group ... I have to believe everything they do? ... I don't think so. Why should I not have a benefit, just because you have some A$$ backwards way of thinking that dates back to the Dark Ages?
The great thing about religious freedom is that it allows people to believe something that you may not believe - even if it "dates back to the Dark Ages." Your disagreement doesn't compel them to change beliefs or to do something against what they believe.
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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The great thing about religious freedom is that it allows people to believe something that you may not believe - even if it "dates back to the Dark Ages." Your disagreement doesn't compel them to change beliefs or to do something against what they believe.
The nifty thing is that they aren't being compelled to actually DO it. They're being told that they need to give their employees the OPTION to do it within their healthplans.

Its nuanced for sure, but those whining about how this is some clear violation of the Constitution are being a tad melodramatic about it. Especially when you consider that the statistics are that 98% of sexually active women use some form of birth control... I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that a LOT of them are Catholic...
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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The nifty thing is that they aren't being compelled to actually DO it. They're being told that they need to give their employees the OPTION to do it within their healthplans.

Its nuanced for sure, but those whining about how this is some clear violation of the Constitution are being a tad melodramatic about it. Especially when you consider that the statistics are that 98% of sexually active women use some form of birth control... I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that a LOT of them are Catholic...
When their religious views are that the option is not acceptable, their being forced to do something against their religion. The fact that some Catholics don't follow that does not compel them to change it. Those people are free to do so but it doesn't mean that the religion has to be changed or to do something against their faith.
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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When their religious views are that the option is not acceptable, their being forced to do something against their religion. The fact that some Catholics don't follow that does not compel them to change it. Those people are free to do so but it doesn't mean that the religion has to be changed or to do something against their faith.
Yep, WH backed down... Or did they? It seems the Adult is still lives in the WH.

News from The Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BIRTH_CONTROL_POLITICS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEM PLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-02-10-08-57-33 - broken link)
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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When their religious views are that the option is not acceptable, their being forced to do something against their religion. .
No they are not. They are being told that they need to provide their employees with the OPTION to do this. They, themselves, are NOT being made to DO it.

HUGE difference.
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