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Old 04-19-2012, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Of course they have a right to a decent life, but not on my dime. It's equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

There isnt equal opportunity either. The lack of income mobility in the US pretty much highlights that.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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Almost all of that "movement" you speak of is within 1 income quintile, and the highest predictor of a childs income is their parents income, which speaks for the outright lack of equality of opportunity in this country.

Some years I'm at the top of the bottom quintile and some years I'm at the bottom of the next quintile.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Some years I'm at the top of the bottom quintile and some years I'm at the bottom of the next quintile.

I guess thats the mobility that guy is blathering about!
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:42 PM
 
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Exceptions only confirm the rule.

The working poor aren't getting anywhere, and that is the purpose of the system. It is a social Darwinist system fighting the average person (with average capabilities, resources, energy, willpower, etc.) and promoting winning at all cost. That's why US society is a mess...
Perhaps the working poor don't have, (or aren't willing to expend the efforts necessary to have), what it takes

BTW, it isn't the US that is a mess (but under rulers who think and act as you think, it is heading that way.

Perhaps, it is your ilk that are the mess. Did I say "perhaps"? Check that. Definitely, it is your ilk that are the mess (by your own assessement freely given here on CD).
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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There isnt equal opportunity either. The lack of income mobility in the US pretty much highlights that.
Where is it better than here? I'll give you, say, 20 years to come up with a better place (and your plans of getting your keister over there to live in your worker's paradise).
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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Where is it better than here? I'll give you, say, 20 years to come up with a better place (and your plans of getting your keister over there to live in your worker's paradise).

Restoring the property rights once held by the poor would be a huge improvement.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Where is it better than here? I'll give you, say, 20 years to come up with a better place (and your plans of getting your keister over there to live in your worker's paradise).

Just about anywhere in Western Europe outside of the UK, including Scandinavia, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Canada, as I said, pretty much any country thats not in the third world.

By the way, why should I have to move? Why dont you move to Brazil, or the Congo, true capitalist paradises, where the poor sleep in the streets and will kill you for a loaf of bread, and leave me and my ilk in the US?
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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There isnt equal opportunity either. The lack of income mobility in the US pretty much highlights that.
There is pretty much equal opportunity in the USA today.

And economic mobility is alive and well. Millions of us can attest to that fact.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Exceptions only confirm the rule.

The working poor aren't getting anywhere, and that is the purpose of the system. It is a social Darwinist system fighting the average person (with average capabilities, resources, energy, willpower, etc.) and promoting winning at all cost. That's why US society is a mess...
The working poor are moving up the economic ladder every year. Millions of us have done that and millions more will do it every year.

If you look at the data, almost all young people are "working poor" and most of them work out of that status.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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There is pretty much equal opportunity in the USA today.
HAHAHAHAAHAHA! Wow, that has to be the funniest thing Ive ever seen in my life.



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And economic mobility is alive and well. Millions of us can attest to that fact.
And your empirical observations are clearly preferable to study after study concluding the exact opposite.
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