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Yes, you are correct. Millions of us have started with nothing, worked hard, learned productive skills, lived within our means and moved up the economic ladder.
That is the American Dream and it's alive and well today.
Is the American experience somehow different or better than the experience of workers in other developed countries?
So, you acknowledge that everyone DOESNT have the same opportunities.....thanks!
Instead, we should teach them that as a child, they deserve to have been born destitude with a crack head for a mother, and we should send them to inadequate schools, with the bottom of the barrel teachers, poorly nourished, inadequatley cared for, and in a terrible and often violent enviroment, while we dangle some "golden carrot" over their head, that even they are smart enough to realize they have almost no shot in hell of ever getting.
Great solution.....seems to working out just fine here in the good ol' US of A.
Of course your solution is to tell them that they aren't responsible for anything, and that they should expect the government is here to take care of them. Rich white men have stolen the wealth from everyone else. They can't be expected to go out and work for anything on their own. The system is rigged against them and instread of overcoming obstacles you will teach them to use obstacles as excuses to not even make an effort. You will fill them full of a sense of entitlement and hate. So how exactly is that better?
Almost all of that "movement" you speak of is within 1 income quintile, and the highest predictor of a childs income is their parents income, which speaks for the outright lack of equality of opportunity in this country.
It is a myth, dispite the right wing media soldiering against it. For every one poor kid that makes it to the top 1%, 99 of them dont, and of those 99, well over half can look foward to life as poor adult. In fact, even middle quintile children are more likely to achieve a LOWER income then their parents, then a higher income, but nearly 100% of them end up either in the identical income quintile or within 1 income quintile higher or lower.
You can continue to think that way.
I'll continue following the American dream, of which I was raised in a poor family, with my "ambition" following in my father, uncles and grandfathers footsteps into warehouse work, factory work and truck driving.
I made the decision to go into a different direction of a higher paying career, saving, investing and having better quality of life.
So, you acknowledge that everyone DOESNT have the same opportunities.....thanks!
Absolutely. I've always recognized unfortunate circumstances. A kid with irresponsible parents is at a disadvantage. A kid who has parents encouraging them to study in school has an advantage. That will never change.
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Instead, we should teach them that as a child, they deserve to have been born destitude with a crack head for a mother, and we should send them to inadequate schools, with the bottom of the barrel teachers, poorly nourished, inadequatley cared for, and in a terrible and often violent enviroment, while we dangle some "golden carrot" over their head, that even they are smart enough to realize they have almost no shot in hell of ever getting.
Great solution.....seems to working out just fine here in the good ol' US of A.
Nobody deserves to be born in poor circumstances. Nobody deserves to be born in advantageous circumstances. "Deserve" has nothing to do with life. But until you can control who can have kids, that will never change. The only solution is to prevent people from having kids in these environments... and good luck on getting that on the table.
Fortunately, many kids overcome their poor circumstances.
And that is not a "solution" proposed by anyone as you state.
I'm not all about punishing the rich; I'm in favor of punishing the greedy. I'm in favor of holding them accountable and us not catering to them day in and day out. You and many others seem to think trickle down economics is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and you've never heard of the Ass-and-Oats Theory. The most practical solution to all this would be the Edwards Deming Model. Look it up on Wikipedia when you have the time.
Who are more greedy than those in the recipient class?
Of course your solution is to tell them that they aren't responsible for anything, and that they should expect the government is here to take care of them. Rich white men have stolen the wealth from everyone else. They can't be expected to go out and work for anything on their own. The system is rigged against them and instread of overcoming obstacles you will teach them to use obstacles as excuses to not even make an effort. You will fill them full of a sense of entitlement and hate. So how exactly is that better?
No, I would propose to simply remove the obstacles, and let the chips fall.
Rich and "succesful" people are only comfortable playing with a stacked deck.
Fortunately, many kids overcome their poor circumstances.
Actually, both of our statistics show that AT BEST, 1/3 of kids overcome anything.
On the other hand, I bet you about 95% of all people in jail came from the lowest income quintile. In fact I will almost GUARANTEE you that a kid born to the lowest income quintile has a higher chance of going to prison then making it past the middle income quintile.
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