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How am I denying anyone rights? Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I've denied anyone rights, Are you Hallucinating? We all have the same rights
When one is hospitalized only immediate family members will be told their condition, a partner in a commited same-sex relationship has no standing unless they're legally married. Doesn't really sound the same to me.
So why doesn't the homosexual community just try and get the same things under civil unions instead of declaring it marriage? Why do you guys want to treat people in civil unions not equal? It's the same thing, you say you (homosexuals) aren't being treated equally, what about people in a civil union? Do they not count as equals like you try to say you are?
People in a civil union, which is really what any government sanctioned marriage SHOULD be called, whether straight or gay, is not treated as equal to marriage.
For example, UPS has denied benefits to the spouses of same sex couples in NJ. The reason is that the union contract will only extend benefits to member's "spouses" and the civil union law in NJ does not count partners, in a legal civil union, as "spouses".
Luckily, I live in NY where I can sue for benefits for my same sex spouse. The fact is that companies will look for any loophole to reduce benefits to anybody and calling it a civil union is one way to allow them to do so.
People in a civil union, which is really what any government sanctioned marriage SHOULD be called, whether straight or gay, is not treated as equal to marriage.
For example, UPS has denied benefits to the spouses of same sex couples in NJ. The reason is that the union contract will only extend benefits to member's "spouses" and the civil union law in NJ does not count partners, in a legal civil union, as "spouses".
Luckily, I live in NY where I can sue for benefits for my same sex spouse. The fact is that companies will look for any loophole to reduce benefits to anybody and calling it a civil union is one way to allow them to do so.
So? Fight to have THOSE laws changed! It should be a state's rights issue. If you live in a state where they don't give equality to civil union partners, fight to have THAT changed! That would be the most fair way to go, that way civil union partners have the equality also. Why should homosexuals get this equality and civil union partners not? Wouldn't that make homosexuals haters then?
So? Fight to have THOSE laws changed! It should be a state's rights issue. If you live in a state where they don't give equality to civil union partners, fight to have THAT changed! That would be the most fair way to go, that way civil union partners have the equality also. Why should homosexuals get this equality and civil union partners not? Wouldn't that make homosexuals haters then?
Heterosexual civil union partners already have the option of getting married. They choose to have civil unions. Same sex couples don't have the option of marriage in many states, and even where it is legal their marriage is not treated equally by the federal government.
Many states don't even have civil unions, or domestic partnerships for same sex couples.
Marriage, and civil unions are two different things, with different recognition by government.
Here's the problem with that assertion. Marriage is a business contract. It's not a contract to perform sexual acts, pump out at least five babies in rapid succession, make out in public, etc. If anything, entering into it signs a death warrant for the sex lives of both parties. The contract basically says who gets whose stuff one gets if the other one falls in front of a passing train. And it provides for some other legal protections.
The real issue is that the religious mafia has manufactured the same sex marriage "crisis", so that it can double back and protect the people who pay its protection fee. If people don't subscribe to the protective service and don't help to fight this manufactured crisis, same sex marriage might happen. And that would be really bad because the people who invented the crisis in the first place, said it would be really bad.
Heterosexual civil union partners already have the option of getting married. They choose to have civil unions. Same sex couples don't have the option of marriage in many states, and even where it is legal their marriage is not treated equally by the federal government.
Many states don't even have civil unions, or domestic partnerships for same sex couples.
Marriage, and civil unions are two different things, with different recognition by government.
So why not fight for equality for all instead of just the one group? That would make the most sense wouldn't it? That's if you guys are truly interested in equality in the first place.
So why doesn't the homosexual community just try and get the same things under civil unions instead of declaring it marriage? Why do you guys want to treat people in civil unions not equal? It's the same thing, you say you (homosexuals) aren't being treated equally, what about people in a civil union? Do they not count as equals like you try to say you are?
Because opposite-sex couples in civil unions COULD have gotten married if they wanted to. Duh.
"Marriage" is the current legal term. That's why gays/lesbians are pushing for "marriage". You don't like it? Get the legal term changed to something else.
So why not fight for equality for all instead of just the one group? That would make the most sense wouldn't it? That's if you guys are truly interested in equality in the first place.
Because the other group ALREADY has access to equal marriage. They CHOOSE not to use that access.
Civil unions are not meant to be the same as marriage. Marriage is not meant to be the same as civil unions.
When one is hospitalized only immediate family members will be told their condition, a partner in a commited same-sex relationship has no standing unless they're legally married. Doesn't really sound the same to me.
All you have to do is sign a concent form at the hospital, I do it with my own family, no big deal you can do it ahead of time and it's kept on file.
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