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Old 07-11-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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When a 17 year old is being followed first by car, then on foot and scared of that person I doubt he/she would care if they are being "stalked" by the legal definition of the word or the common definition of the word. People who refuse to see that Martin had a reason to be fearful that night have their heads up their butts.
He might have been fearful, annoyed, agitated, whatever his emotional state. This is a Court Trial, so legal definitions are important.

This is not a Stalking case, it's a trial for Murder 2, or at least that was the charge.
The rules seem to be changing daily.

Since nobody seems to be arguing about the case itself or the facts presented, can I Assume that nobody thinks the prosecution has made their case?

 
Old 07-11-2013, 10:06 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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The confrontation NEVER would have escalated if either of these two factors were present...GZ's identifying himself as opposed to playing cat and mouse or...GZ's not having his gun on him as this is what gave him the balls to leave his vehicle to pursue someone he perceived as suspicious.
Do you guarantee that?
 
Old 07-11-2013, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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So when someone gets into a fight and starts losing, it's ok to kill the opponent? Hmmmmm, very interesting.

What "fight"? A fight requires 2 willing participants. What evidence is there that Zimmerman was "willing" and even struck at M? When one person is pummeling another person in the face while his victim is screaming for help...that's assault, not a "fight".

Comparing what happened here to a fight is the same as calling rape, "consensual sex". In both cases the "victim" did not choose to participate. Or to be exact, there is no evidence that they did.
 
Old 07-11-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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What "fight"? A fight requires 2 willing participants. What evidence is there that Zimmerman was "willing" and even struck at M? When one person is pummeling another person in the face while his victim is screaming for help...that's assault, not a "fight".

Comparing what happened here to a fight is the same as calling rape, "consensual sex". In both cases the "victim" did not choose to participate. Or to be exact, there is no evidence that they did.
Zimmerman offered his presence of body and "mind" for a confrontation.
 
Old 07-11-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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How do you know its was not. Unless you are in that exact situation you do not know if a life was in danger. All that matters is that the person being attacked felt their life was in danger. If they say it was, then it was.
Yes, Too bad Trayvon isn't here to say it. George is accountable. The trial is the result of that.
 
Old 07-11-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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Be kind. Don't confuse them with facts.
Or the lies.

Here lies George Zimmerman, a creep to his community.
 
Old 07-11-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: DFW
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But thinking your life was in danger, even if it wasn't, makes it OK to kill someone?.
That's what the experts have testified. When getting beat you don't know at what point you may die.
One blow / injury can cause internal bleeding on the brain and brain injury or death.

It's like rape. I pull down my pants and move toward you, you can assume you're about to be raped. You don't have to wait till it's occurring or after the fact to protect yourself.
 
Old 07-11-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Zimmerman offered his presence of body for a confrontation.
You mean he put his nose in the way of Martin's fist?
 
Old 07-11-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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Yes, Too bad Trayvon isn't here to say it. George is accountable. The trial is the result of that.
Correct, but it seems you are forgetting INNOCENT untill PROVEN guilty. If you cant PROVE George started the fight. Its a clear case of self defense. What you feel or think dosnt matter, this a trial and it should only be about facts.
 
Old 07-11-2013, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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How do you know its was not. Unless you are in that exact situation you do not know if a life was in danger. All that matters is that the person being attacked felt thier life was in danger. If they say it was, then it was.
No, the law says a "reasonable" fear. Little kids fear the bogeyman, all sorts of things. One of my kids once started screaming b/c a moth was flying around in her room. Was GZ's fear "reasonable"?
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