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Old 01-23-2014, 11:53 PM
 
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In this case, science is not our enemy. You might be born gay, but this person was born a male. He was meant to be born a male. He still is a male. And he will always be a male. He has an X and Y chromosome. Science says: MALE

I am not denying that this boy wants to be a girl, clearly he does. But it is a mental disorder that requires psychological treatment, not genital mutilation.
Her brain is clearly not male.

It's called Gender Identity Disorder and the treatment is gender reassignment.

She is not crazy.
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Old 01-23-2014, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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her brain is clearly not male.

It's called gender identity "disorder" and the treatment is gender reassignment.

She is not crazy.
thank you!!!!
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:04 AM
 
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thank you!!!!
It's not a mental illness.

Believing you're a dog is a mental illness (clinical lycanthropy) generally associated with another preexisting mental illness.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Her brain is clearly not male.

It's called Gender Identity Disorder and the treatment is gender reassignment.

She is not crazy.
Prove it. Prove that his brain is female, and that it isn't a psychological disorder. I proved my piece. Heck, the boy said he has a penis. The parents admit they're blocking hormones to prevent male puberty. We know that he was "meant" to be born a male because he has X and Y chromosomes. Now you prove that his brain is "female" and that it isn't a psychological disorder. If he was born in the wrong body, then explain why.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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It's not a mental illness.

Believing you're a dog is a mental illness (clinical lycanthropy) generally associated with another preexisting mental illness.
You call it what you like, I'll call it the abnormality that it clearly is.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:12 AM
 
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Prove it. Prove that his brain is female, and that it isn't a psychological disorder. I proved my piece. Heck, the boy said he has a penis. The parents admit they're blocking hormones to prevent male puberty. We know that he was "meant" to be born a male because he has X and Y chromosomes. Now you prove that his brain is "female" and that it isn't a psychological disorder. If he was born in the wrong body, then explain why.
The medical community already disagrees with you, the burden is on you, a person who clearly has no medical training or any standing whatsoever to debate accepted medical opinion, to prove they're wrong. Researchers have already offered up several valid biological causes for this (meaning its physiological, not mental), and have published peer-reviewed research that shows differences in the brains of transsexual men and women. Now prove they're wrong.

Again, science is your enemy.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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The medical community already disagrees with you, the burden is on you, a person who clearly has no medical training or any standing whatsoever to debate accepted medical opinion, to prove they're wrong. Researchers have already offered up several valid biological causes for this (meaning its physiological, not mental), and have published peer-reviewed research that shows differences in the brains of transsexual men and women. Now prove they're wrong.

Again, science is your enemy.
Oh ok. Where is the peer-review researched on people being accidentally born male? I wasn't aware a sperm could fertilize an egg with a Y chromosome, but somehow the fetus was supposed to be female? Your story isn't lining up. This leads me to believe it's a psychological disorder, which, by the way, I am totally compassionate of. I really feel for those parents and that confused little boy; however, treatment lies in modern psychology, not genital mutilation.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:31 AM
 
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A successful physical mutilation to address a mental issue. That's an interesting approach...
You could choose to educate yourself. Why wouldn't you? Especially when the well-being of children is at stake?
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:32 AM
 
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Oh ok. Where is the peer-review researched on people being accidentally born male? I wasn't aware a sperm could fertilize an egg with a Y chromosome, but somehow the fetus was supposed to be female? Your story isn't lining up. This leads me to believe it's a psychological disorder, which, by the way, I am totally compassionate of. I really feel for those parents and that confused little boy; however, treatment lies in modern psychology, not genital mutilation.
Coolidge, Thede and Young, Behavior Genetics 32 pp 251-257

Zhou, Hoffman, Gooren and Swaab, Nature 378 pp 68-70

Zhou, Hoffman, Swaab, Brain Research 537, pp 285-288

Zhou, Hoffman, Swaab, Neurobiology of Aging 16, pp 571-576

Bleier, Byne, Siggelkow, The Journal of Comparative Neurology 212, pp 118-13

Emery, Sachs, Physiology and Behavior 17, pp 803-806

Walter, Mai, Lanta, Gorcs, The Journal of Chemical Neuroanatomy 4, pp 281-298


I literally have almost 30 more of these.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:45 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Coolidge, Thede and Young, Behavior Genetics 32 pp 251-257

Zhou, Hoffman, Gooren and Swaab, Nature 378 pp 68-70

Zhou, Hoffman, Swaab, Brain Research 537, pp 285-288

Zhou, Hoffman, Swaab, Neurobiology of Aging 16, pp 571-576

Bleier, Byne, Siggelkow, The Journal of Comparative Neurology 212, pp 118-13

Emery, Sachs, Physiology and Behavior 17, pp 803-806

Walter, Mai, Lanta, Gorcs, The Journal of Chemical Neuroanatomy 4, pp 281-298


I literally have almost 30 more of these.
So, I read that first one. I am not saying there is no such thing as gender identify disorder, clearly it exists. What I am saying is that changing genitalia isn't going to fix the problem. You can't prove that he was born in the wrong body. If that's the case, do we need to start reassessing genetics? Do X and Y make a girl now?
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