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I personally know illegal aliens, I have had them as co-workers, and recently. They are honest and hard working. EVERY SINGLE ONE I HAVE MET.
Painting with a broad brush may get the job done quicker, but it is less accurate.
If they are kidnapping, killing, whatever.... the crime is kidnapping, killing, etc... NOT crossing a border.
I have met a few myself in my lifetime and many of those are exactly what you are describing... Unfortunately the ones you haven't met are the ones at issue..You won't meet them at your job, because they don't work. They will sell you child heroin, they will commit sexual based crimes against children in your community. They will commit every imaginable crime. Crossing the border illegally is a CRIME. Unfortunately the people you describe will have to pay the penalty for the people I describe. That's the way life works now isn't it.
I personally know illegal aliens, I have had them as co-workers, and recently. They are honest and hard working. EVERY SINGLE ONE I HAVE MET.
Painting with a broad brush may get the job done quicker, but it is less accurate.
If they are kidnapping, killing, whatever.... the crime is kidnapping, killing, etc... NOT crossing a border.
So America should take that chance?
They made their choice, they broke the law, they support the same garbage that murderd their home nation that will kill this nation if left unchecked...
They go back...
And if they are here in this nation illegally while they are kidnapping and murdering people?
I mean if they were not in this nation how could the commit those crimes?
So if you are being robbed why are supporting people most likely to support the current system of robbing?
Them supporting a bad system does not make them bad people, they are still peaceful people who have done nothing but crossed a line on the map. I would rather win their hearts and minds and show them the benefits of the free market. If they don't commit a violent act, they should not have violence used upon them.
I won't sacrifice my principles to punish people for disagreeing with me.
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Why do you support their actions and ability for them to come here and rob?
I don't. Robbery is a violent act, if they commit that act it is perfectly reasonable to use violent resistance. (Self-defense) and it is perfectly reasonable to prosecute them for the violent crime they committed. Crossing the border itself is not a violent act, therefore no violence should be used upon them.
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That could work, but we have a welfare system now, and a open border now..You see what is wrong with this picture?
Yes, but it is a welfare problem, not an immigration problem. I advocate ending welfare exactly as much as I advocate open borders.
(I really appreciate that you are not getting snotty like other users, you are interested in a real discussion and that is admirable. A lot of neo-cons get emotional and start calling me names when I disagree with them. You have set yourself apart and I would rep you again if I could but I repped you earlier today.)
Maybe he should call up another 3000, and block off the borders fully. THEN start picking up the illegals and droping them off on the other side of the border.
I have met a few myself in my lifetime and many of those are exactly what you are describing... Unfortunately the ones you haven't met are the ones at issue..You won't meet them at your job, because they don't work. They will sell you child heroin, they will commit sexual based crimes against children in your community. They will commit every imaginable crime. Crossing the border illegally is a CRIME. Unfortunately the people you describe will have to pay the penalty for the people I describe. That's the way life works now isn't it.
They should be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced for their violent crimes. Peaceful people should NOT have violence used upon them because of the actions of others.
Crossing the border illegally is a crime, true... but I maintain that it is a stupid law because it is a peaceful action. There have been LOTS of bad laws, and good people disobey them.
Sheltering a runaway slave was a CRIME, and I would have gladly done it if I lived in that era... my principles don't change based on what strangers write down on paper.
I don't accept "that is how life works", I always have and always will fight for human freedom and treating people as individuals, not punishing them for the actions of people that others consider similar to them.
Thank you as well for being reasonable and not sinking to insults because we disagree, I truly appreciate it.
Owning a gun is a peaceful act, but using one in a crime is not. Why should America take the chance with allowing gun ownership? Because it is wrong to punish peaceful people based on the actions of others.
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They made their choice, they broke the law, they support the same garbage that murderd their home nation that will kill this nation if left unchecked...
I gladly disobey bad laws, it is what good people do. When pot was illegal in Colorado I participated in civil disobedience and smoked it in public. I made the choice to break a bad law, but I did not harm another person.
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They go back...
And if they are here in this nation illegally while they are kidnapping and murdering people?
Anybody who commits violent acts should be resisted with self defense and prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law. I have no problem with the U.S. gov going into Mexico or any other country to retrieve people who have committed violent acts on our soil.
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I mean if they were not in this nation how could the commit those crimes?
Easy, they could not..
If people were not allowed to own guns how could they commit gun crimes? Easy, they could not.
(I do not advocate gun control in any manner, you know this... because it is wrong to punish peaceful people for the actions of others.)
I personally know illegal aliens, I have had them as co-workers, and recently. They are honest and hard working. EVERY SINGLE ONE I HAVE MET.
Painting with a broad brush may get the job done quicker, but it is less accurate.
If they are kidnapping, killing, whatever.... the crime is kidnapping, killing, etc... NOT crossing a border.
Yeah, I've known illegals who are very hardworking people. The key is those are workers, and often taken advantage of by employers. They are not the criminal element we're talking about - the drug smugglers, coyotes, human traffickers, a/k/a slave traders, and killers. Those guys don't work, at least not somewhere you do. We're not saying every single illegal coming here is a criminal, just that there is a lot more of that element than ever before, and we're starting to see lots of crime like they have south of the border. So far it's largely against other Hispanics, so people aren't noticing as much, but I've noticed. I've seen the news stories about the kick-in burglaries where family members (always a Hispanic last name) are tied up and the man is shot, or where the entire family is shot, or the DEA-Zeta Cartel gun fight that happened in Houston last winter, or the hundreds of massage parlors all over town full of Asian sex slaves. This stuff is happening far more than people are aware.
They should be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced for their violent crimes. Peaceful people should NOT have violence used upon them because of the actions of others.
Crossing the border illegally is a crime, true... but I maintain that it is a stupid law because it is a peaceful action. There have been LOTS of bad laws, and good people disobey them.
Sheltering a runaway slave was a CRIME, and I would have gladly done it if I lived in that era... my principles don't change based on what strangers write down on paper.
I don't accept "that is how life works", I always have and always will fight for human freedom and treating people as individuals, not punishing them for the actions of people that others consider similar to them.
Thank you as well for being reasonable and not sinking to insults because we disagree, I truly appreciate it.
We are going to have to continue to disagree I am afraid, because for one reason, I don't believe I as an American citizen should be penalized to pay for the incarceration of a illegal alien who shouldn't be here in the first place who has committed a crime. There is nothing wrong with fighting for human freedom, but these people need to fight for their freedom in their own country. Immigration laws are not stupid laws, it's the implementation of those laws that is stupid. I agree that this needs to change and facilitate those who would come here with the right motivation.
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