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Old 08-21-2014, 09:14 PM
 
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I believe we already have that at the federal and many state level.....welfare to work programs.
You "believe" that, or you have a citation asserting this is the case...



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Not too successful when there are no jobs available what with the recession and unemployment being what it is.
Ah, I see. There is an excuse why the community can't pull itself together (and it has nothing to do with them of course). Yet within this same community, many have money for cell phones and rims (as evidenced by the media footage showing both).

 
Old 08-21-2014, 09:17 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Then I guess NBC will have to retract their story.

Michael Brown Shooting: Why Ferguson Police Never Filed 'Incident Report' - NBC News

"Police in Ferguson, Missouri, did not file an “incident report” on the fatal shooting of 19-year-old Michael Brown because they turned the case over to St. Louis County police almost immediately, the county prosecutor’s office tells NBC News.

Critics and news media outlets have questioned why Ferguson police released an incident report from a robbery in which Brown was a suspect, as well as security video showing the stick-up, but not the report on the shooting of the unarmed 18-year-old a short time later by Officer Darren Wilson.

The reason, according to the office of St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch, is that it doesn’t exist."
I went back and edited my post to clarify the difference between an investigative report, which there can be an unlimited amount of for an incident filed by every agency involved, and an incident report, of which there can be only one, filed by the investigating authority only.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 09:18 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Can the media demand the medical records of Wilson via the FOIA??


Sounds like he just executed a teenager.
No. FOIA does not apply to state and local agencies, only federal agencies. You have to make sunshine requests through the state sunshine law.
But HIPAA, as a federal law, supersedes any state sunshine law and bars the state from releasing the medical records.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 09:19 PM
 
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Sorry I missed this part of the discussion earlier. Police officers in Missouri must be POST certified through completion of academy before being hired. You cannot just recruit anyone, and obviously you cannot recruit anyone from outside the state of Missouri. A few of the very large departments run their own academy and pay recruits to go through it, but Ferguson is nowhere close to that scope.
Looks like Chief is back to the local high school and growing his own.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 09:20 PM
 
Location: USA
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No. FOIA does not apply to state and local agencies, only federal agencies. You have to make sunshine requests through the state sunshine law.
But HIPAA, as a federal law, supersedes any state sunshine law and bars the state from releasing the medical records.
Thanks for the info
 
Old 08-21-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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On 8/19? A bit late wouldn't you say? Whatever is in it would be discounted given the publicity this case has received before that date. Who would (or could) believe anything that it might contain.

Or does it contain anything?
Not really. Murder reports typically take months to close. Even with a blank investigative report, they filed that unusually fast. An incident report is not a PR mechanism, the only ones who have to believe or not believe in it are a jury.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I went back and edited my post to clarify the difference between an investigative report, which there can be an unlimited amount of for an incident filed by every agency involved, and an incident report, of which there can be only one, filed by the investigating authority only.
Another slant on it was that Wilson might have been advised to not file the incident report because of 5th amendment.

There can not be a report filed without Wilson's input though, can there? It'd be useless without that input. And also useless if filed after the date of the killing.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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Ah, I see. There is an excuse why the community can't pull itself together (and it has nothing to do with them of course). Yet within this same community, many have money for cell phones and rims (as evidenced by the media footage showing both).
They could be stealing the rims.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 09:24 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Looks like Chief is back to the local high school and growing his own.
Yes. But he is still competing with all of the other jurisdictions who can pay their way through academy, pay more, and have a better reputation. Not to mention, kids out of the ferg-flor district get a good military signing bonus, so he has to compete with that too. His best bet is to find someone willing to self-fund themselves through academy (though that means that the larger agencies would not hire them, most likely because of bad grades) then sign on to build up experience. But like I mentioned, someone like that is going to jump ship as soon as they hit 5 years.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 09:27 PM
 
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They could be stealing the rims.
Stealing rims is a minor crime, certainly not worthy of accountability on a police application...
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