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You just made it clear that protected classes get special protections, and if you are not a part of the protected class you get hung out to dry. Gays as a protected class do not represent all people, they just represent a small portion of the public.
So I have to bake a cake that extolls the gay lifestyle, and I can't refuse even if i disagree with it, because being gay is a protected class. But if someone wants me to bake a cake extolling the white race, I can refuse to bake it because I disagree with it, because being a racially motivated person is not a protected class.
Everyone is a member of a protected class in some way or shape. Race, Religion, Gender, Disability, and in some cases Sexual Orientation. Usually you are falling under more than one class. You have a poor understanding of what a protected class is if you think only a small sliver of society gains those protections.
The right to refuse service based on sexual orientation does not exist. Refusing custom to gay people is not part of any religious practice, so the argument that this impedes the free exercise of religion is a dead end.
It's always a dead end. Why do you guys keep making the same arguments? It's not like they get less wrong with age.
Ok what if a OMG Baptist, bible toting, go church Wed and twice on Sunday. couple came in a Gay Bakery.
The openly Gay Bakery Owner says I do not believe in God nor marriage and refused the Baptist Couple.
Id not feel comfortable doing business in a Man / woman Marriage,.Would you sue the Bakery the same that the Gay couple sue the Christian Based Business?
Your other point, is Marriage is one the important Sacraments of the Bible. To support a Sin is direct disobedience to God. The same principles people practice everyday. So therefor it against the Christian Beliefs and is written in many parts of the Bible. To Begin with is Genesis Chapter 2 verse 21.
So it does infringe on the rights of a Christian Based Business. Look at the issue of Hobby Lobby and the issue of Abortion? (Roe vs. Wade)
Same continued example of 1st Amendment Rights. Why are we writing laws to protect a class of people. What happen to your 14th Amendment on "Equal Protection"???? Doesn't it apply to Christian Business owners??
That's actually a good idea. If I had a restaurant or bakery and they tried to force me to serve people I didn't want to I would probably spit a big fat loogie in their cake or sprinkle some fecal matter or urine over it. But I agree why would somebody want to go to a somewhere were your business is not welcome.
Well, that sounds like quite the business to be claiming Christian values while denying gay couples a product you already make.
Ok what if a OMG Baptist, bible toting, go church Wed and twice on Sunday. couple came in a Gay Bakery.
The openly Gay Bakery Owner says I do not believe in God nor marriage and refused the Baptist Couple.
Id not feel comfortable doing business in a Man / woman Marriage,.Would you sue the Bakery the same that the Gay couple sue the Christian Based Business?
Your other point, is Marriage is one the important Sacraments of the Bible. To support a Sin is direct disobedience to God. The same principles people practice everyday. So therefor it against the Christian Beliefs and is written in many parts of the Bible. To Begin with is Genesis Chapter 2 verse 21.
So it does infringe on the rights of a Christian Based Business. Look at the issue of Hobby Lobby and the issue of Abortion? (Roe vs. Wade)
Same continued example of 1st Amendment Rights. Why are we writing laws to protect a class of people. What happen to your 14th Amendment on "Equal Protection"???? Doesn't it apply to Christian Business owners??
After all "Equal Protection"
It really isn't actually. Marriage is barely mentioned at all. Equal protection means you get equal protection under the law. It doesn't mean you get to violate it with impunity because your Church says you can.
Everyone is a member of a protected class in some way or shape. Race, Religion, Gender, Disability, and in some cases Sexual Orientation. Usually you are falling under more than one class. You have a poor understanding of what a protected class is if you think only a small sliver of society gains those protections.
It's more than that. Everyone is a member of EVERY protected class.
Everyone has a race - everyone has a sex - everyone has a sexual orientation - etc, etc, etc.
Ok what if a OMG Baptist, bible toting, go church Wed and twice on Sunday. couple came in a Gay Bakery.
The openly Gay Bakery Owner says I do not believe in God nor marriage and refused the Baptist Couple.
Id not feel comfortable doing business in a Man / woman Marriage,.Would you sue the Bakery the same that the Gay couple sue the Christian Based Business?
The gay bakers would be in violation of the very same law that the christian bakers violated. You can not discriminate based on religion either.
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Your other point, is Marriage is one the important Sacraments of the Bible. To support a Sin is direct disobedience to God. The same principles people practice everyday. So therefor it against the Christian Beliefs and is written in many parts of the Bible. To Begin with is Genesis Chapter 2 verse 21.
Then do not open a business that has anything to do with weddings if it would violate your personal religious beliefs to do so.
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So it does infringe on the rights of a Christian Based Business. Look at the issue of Hobby Lobby and the issue of Abortion? (Roe vs. Wade)
That had nothing to do with state or federal anti-discrimination laws.
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ
Same continued example of 1st Amendment Rights. Why are we writing laws to protect a class of people. What happen to your 14th Amendment on "Equal Protection"???? Doesn't it apply to Christian Business owners??
After all "Equal Protection"
Christian businesses have to follow the same laws as gay business owners, and Hindu business owners, and Muslim business owners, and Wiccan business owners, and Asian business owners, and any other business owner. That is a perfect example of the laws being applied equally. Every business has to follow the same laws. No business can claim personal beliefs to skirt the law.
Do you think an animal rights activist who runs a catering business should be forced to cater a butcher's convention with live demonstrations of meat carving? Same type scenario. This has nothing to do with discrimination. It's about forcing people to go against traditional religious morals and taking away freedom of religion.
Freedom of religion is not freedom to discriminate. Any one that opens a business to the public must follow the law, just because one is Christian, Jew, or what ever religion does not give them the right to discriminate against their customers.
Everyone is a member of a protected class in some way or shape. Race, Religion, Gender, Disability, and in some cases Sexual Orientation. Usually you are falling under more than one class. You have a poor understanding of what a protected class is if you think only a small sliver of society gains those protections.
I understand it perfectly, picking out a specific class of people and giving them special protections.
You just said a member of the KKK is not a protected class so the baker could refuse to bake their cake, because they are not protected class.
It's you who cannot seem to comprehend what you've just said.
That's actually a good idea. If I had a restaurant or bakery and they tried to force me to serve people I didn't want to I would probably spit a big fat loogie in their cake or sprinkle some fecal matter or urine over it. But I agree why would somebody want to go to a somewhere were your business is not welcome.
Are you Christian? Is this how Christians are, they will spit in ones food just to be mean or put fecal matter in it? Geez you guys are sick, demented even to do something like that and claim to be a good Christian.
It's more than that. Everyone is a member of EVERY protected class.
Everyone has a race - everyone has a sex - everyone has a sexual orientation - etc, etc, etc.
The phrase protected class flies in the face of what you just said.
You should not be able to refuse to bake a cake for one person, because you disagree with their beliefs or lifestyle, but are required to bake the cake for someone else, even if you disagree with their beliefs or lifestyle.
Lucidkitty just said we can refuse service to someone in the KKK, but not to someone who was gay.
Either you cannot discriminate against people you disagree with, or you can. You cannot allow discrimination against this guy, but not that one.
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? Geez you guys are sick, demented even to do something like that and claim to be a good Christian.