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Old 11-02-2015, 06:55 AM
 
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Nope. The point is RESPONSIBILITY. Always has been.
That horse is quite dead.
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Old 11-02-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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Roommates living in a $36,000 income household don't need to live on a park bench.
You can post and post and post that all day long, and it'll still be just a bunch of pointless nonsense.
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Old 11-02-2015, 07:08 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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When people argue about low wages and a $15 minimum wage, the typical response is the low wage employee should just go back to school and learn a trade so they can earn more. Great idea but the low wage menial job still needs to be done by someone, so the newly trained worker will just be replaced by someone else.

Maybe 30% of full time jobs pay less than $15 an hour. Someone has got to do the low pay work, SO: Should the government pay welfare to the people who support a family on low income?
Something that's always missing from this argument: No one should be trying to support a family by working at a minimum wage (low wage) job! No one should be starting a family if they do not have the means to support it. This is a matter of personal responsibility. It's also a matter of taking charge of ones life, and striving for success.

Someone started a thread recently that asked if it was greed to work toward becoming wealthy. My answer is that everyone should strive to become wealthy. It is not greedy to work to build wealth. It is smart, and it provides the means necessary to support a family through the years, buy a home, and put children through college, as well as acquire other "niceties" that make life more comfortable, fun, and enjoyable.

Why anyone wants to commit themselves to a hand to mouth life of hardship and struggle is beyond me.

Lastly, as I have said many times, wages are market driven, and are a value for value proposition. When skills are not required, and the market is flooded with applicants, wages will be paid accordingly and will be low. As more skill is required, and there are fewer people with those skills, wages will rise.
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Old 11-02-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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The facts are still that businesses are dumping their own internal costs off onto taxpayers. This is not the result of character flaws among greedy poor people. It is the result of character flaws among greedy rich people. Credit where credit is due, after all.
Not saying that 100% of poorer people are poor because of this. But underpaying for labor is institutionalized within corporations, and costs are passed off to the taxpayers. Politicians are purchased - just ask Trump, as he has said that he's bought them before - and so the rules are skewed in their favor.
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Old 11-02-2015, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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The FACT is that John and Jane Worker and Jack and Jill Retiree in aggregate have more wealth invested in corporations than do the rich by a margin of more than 2 to 1. Attack corporations, and you attack Main Street America's retirement.
YES they play with Jack n Jill's MONEY!! I understand retirement- I worked for a HUGE insurance broker that was global- there is so much money wasted and kept at the top --all could retire and buy a house in Fl if they regulated just a tad better just a TAD--most Americans being played by the people you think are there for you-
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Old 11-02-2015, 04:14 PM
 
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When people argue about low wages and a $15 minimum wage, the typical response is the low wage employee should just go back to school and learn a trade so they can earn more. Great idea but the low wage menial job still needs to be done by someone, so the newly trained worker will just be replaced by someone else.

Maybe 30% of full time jobs pay less than $15 an hour. Someone has got to do the low pay work, SO: Should the government pay welfare to the people who support a family on low income?

Actually, the government doesn't "pay" anyone. Taxpayers are the one's with the money. Your question should actually read, "Should taxpayers pay their hard earned money to support a family on low income?"
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Old 11-02-2015, 04:16 PM
 
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I think the government should just end the H1B visa program for the next ten years. Also, deport at least 10 million illegal aliens to create a labor shortage. Arrest any employer that hires or hired illegal aliens in the past. Fine them 10,000 dollars per incident and conduct a tax audit going back at least 10 years. Fine for any profits made with illegal aliens. Charge them with human trafficking and ban them from ever owning a business again. Wait a year and phase out most if not all welfare programs because there will be a abundance of jobs.
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Old 11-02-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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When people argue about low wages and a $15 minimum wage, the typical response is the low wage employee should just go back to school and learn a trade so they can earn more. Great idea but the low wage menial job still needs to be done by someone, so the newly trained worker will just be replaced by someone else.

Maybe 30% of full time jobs pay less than $15 an hour. Someone has got to do the low pay work, SO: Should the government pay welfare to the people who support a family on low income?
Maybe a better question is why are low income workers having families they cannot support, without being subsidized?
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Old 11-02-2015, 04:50 PM
 
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Its called socialism and if you think you are Robin Hood and want to steal from the rich & give to the poor then you need to vote for Sanders.

How many more generations do you think it will take until the American Dream is dried up because the only thing working hard will get you is having it taken away and given to someone else who is too lazy to work?
Robin Hood stole from the GOVERNMENT and gave back to the poor...which was everyone NOT IN the Government.
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Old 11-02-2015, 04:50 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Actually, the government doesn't "pay" anyone. Taxpayers are the one's with the money. Your question should actually read, "Should taxpayers pay their hard earned money to support a family on low income?"
Bingo!
And the answer is an emphatic, "NO!"
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