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Old 09-03-2018, 10:22 AM
 
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The Space Race was very much an international collaboration..
100% incorrect.



The very people involved have said so. This was an America effort, using American technology and American industry at the behest of the American President to put a man on the Moon.
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Old 09-03-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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Thid is hoe some see it

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...018033620&_rdr
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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Don't commit a micro-aggression now. That's against your own rules.
What on Earth (pardon) are you on about now?

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Congress passed a law which was subsequently signed by Nixon specifically outlining that the American flag, and only the American flag, should be planted on missions in which the U.S. was the sole funding nation.
You mean the politicians saw a popular thing happening and decided to get out in front and use it for alittle opportunistic flag-waving to keep the folks in Peoria happy? You astonish me.

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Three months prior to the mission NASA specifically concentrated on designing and making a flag & pole to withstand the trip and survive the lunar surface.

The generic plaque, which you posted earlier, was the compromise for all nations.

Afterthought? Uh, no.
"Three months prior"? In the Apollo project timeline, that's the definition of last-minute.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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What right wingers were criticizing Dunkirk?? Or are you lying?
WSJ opinion piece on how thew exclusion of Churchill was a deliberate attempt to "disconnect the event from its time" - sadly, it has slipped behind the paywall.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dum...irk-1500592065

And here's John Podhorestz in the Weekly Standard.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/john-...unkirk-2009029


Both examples of right-wingers being upset about a filmmaker failing to include something. The Dunkirk movie in their heads was different and better.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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100% incorrect.



The very people involved have said so. This was an America effort, using American technology and American industry at the behest of the American President to put a man on the Moon.
<cough>von Braun<cough>
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Does Hollywood have the ability to tell a story the way it happened without an agenda these days? I guess we will find out soon with this Ryan Gosling starred production.

Word is, they decided to not do a planting of the American flag scene because the movie producers have decided it was a human achievement more than an American one....even though it was our science and our money and our astronauts LOL.

So maybe that answers the question already. I can hardly wait to see the diverse mission control they will portray...or will they just cut those scenes out because it was 99% white males who ran this show.

https://www.maxim.com/entertainment/...rst-man-2018-8
not placing the flag is inexcusable.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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<cough>von Braun<cough>
Do you have a point?

Von Braun was an American citizen after 1953. Kennedy didn't start the Moon project until 1961.


It's amazing at how much you guys hate the USA.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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Not his statement about “one small step...” or that they got there and back again?
The "One small step" moment was the pivotal moment and Neil Armstrong captured it perfectly with his statement and its juxtaposition of "man" vs. "mankind". He knew full well the universal significance of what was happening. ("The Eagle has landed" is a close second when it comes to important moments.)

FFS, the schedule for the flag-planting was decided by some ceremonial committee (not googling that full name again) - one can ask oneself if NASA put their very best men on the committee that decided the proper ceremonial activities on the Moon. (The answer is "Probably not.")

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I expect that the movie will be successful for what it is - an examination of the perspective of a man who experienced landing on the moon. There is not a single person who will not KNOW that the man was an American with or without the coda of the flag planting.
Yeppers. It's a movie about Neil Armstrong. Not Apollo.

Those who are looking for a celebration of the program though American eyes, go watch Tom Hanks' "From the Earth to the Moon", it is magnificent.

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Old 09-03-2018, 12:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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<cough>von Braun<cough>
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Do you have a point?

Von Braun was an American citizen after 1953. Kennedy didn't start the Moon project until 1961.

It's amazing at how much you guys hate the USA.
Dane wanted a Nazi flag on the moon.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:57 PM
 
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There were 3 AA women involved in Hidden Figures-out of some 400,000 people involved in the mission...
Actually, there were more than that.

In fact, all of Langley’s hundreds of “human computers,” whether black or white, were women. It was an era when, as Johnson put it, “the computer wore a skirt.” Miriam Daniel Mann, Mary Jackson, Dorothy Vaughan, and Kathryn Peddrew were only a few of the black women who contributed to the success of the Space program.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...space-science/

https://www.popularmechanics.com/spa...men-computers/

Of course after the moon mission, NASA started training astronauts of various races as well.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/f...tronauts-2.pdf
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