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Old 12-07-2018, 09:09 AM
 
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How about we implement Mexican gun laws? Bad guys never have guns down there.
Well, Mexico is its own example. Far less guns are in circulation in Mexico than in the USA. And while you have highly organized cartels and their soldiers armed, you also don't have the random acts of violence (some guy goes crazy and walks into a school) like you do in the USA.

Personally, I'd feel safer in Mexico than the USA. Highly organized cartel violence targets other cartel members. These random acts of violence can strike anyone, anywhere.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I think arming all teachers would be a mistake but there are enough teachers out there that are already responsible gun owners that could handle the responsibility of carrying a gun in school so maybe they should have the option to do so?



Maybe there should be a locked box in each classroom that contains a gun and the teacher has the key. We already have fire extinguishers in place as insurance against fire so why not a gun just in case?

No one would expect a teacher to turn into a Rambo and get into a shoot out with a loser that is bent on murdering innocent people but if I were a kid or a parent of a child that is in the middle of an active shooter situation I would take comfort that the teacher has something more to defend the kids with than a locked classroom door.



The problem is too many guns and the real issue is that there is a growing number of people that are willing to murder. The answer is to keep guns from these people but that is a major problem.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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I grew up on a 40acre farm in Oregon in the 50's. Had a gun in my hand since age 5. I knew no one who didn't have a gun, gun control didn't even occur to us. I can tell you NOBODY would have given a thought to attack a farmer back then, it would have been suicidal. If you want to be safe be surrounded by GOOD people who know how to use guns.....if I was a teacher I would absolutely demand to be packing...........the snot nosed punks shooting up schools would be deterred by very little resistance. A small sign at the school suggesting anybody could be armed at the school would probably do it......people need to grow a pair and get over the gun control baloney.....
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: MS
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Well, Mexico is its own example. Far less guns are in circulation in Mexico than in the USA. And while you have highly organized cartels and their soldiers armed, you also don't have the random acts of violence (some guy goes crazy and walks into a school) like you do in the USA.

Personally, I'd feel safer in Mexico than the USA. Highly organized cartel violence targets other cartel members. These random acts of violence can strike anyone, anywhere.
The completely random shootings in the US are still extremely rare but they do get the most publicity.


I'm not going to Mexico any time soon. There are thousands of articles like this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3b5d99a49ef4
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/1071436002/
https://www.dallasnews.com/life/trav...st-town-cancun
https://www.foxnews.com/world/americ...-wants-answers
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1LV031
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Ft Myers, FL
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I think arming all teachers would be a mistake but there are enough teachers out there that are already responsible gun owners that could handle the responsibility of carrying a gun in school so maybe they should have the option to do so?



Maybe there should be a locked box in each classroom that contains a gun and the teacher has the key. We already have fire extinguishers in place as insurance against fire so why not a gun just in case?

No one would expect a teacher to turn into a Rambo and get into a shoot out with a loser that is bent on murdering innocent people but if I were a kid or a parent of a child that is in the middle of an active shooter situation I would take comfort that the teacher has something more to defend the kids with than a locked classroom door.



The problem is too many guns and the real issue is that there is a growing number of people that are willing to murder. The answer is to keep guns from these people but that is a major problem.
Putting a locked box with a gun in every classroom, which most teachers would unlikely ever touch, puts teachers in a bind when parents who took such comfort sue them for inaction.

"Miss Peabody had a gun right there in her classroom! Why didn't she just go over, unlock the box, take out the handgun I paid for with my tax dollars, and SHOOT the bat rastard?? It's an outrage!"
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: MS
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I think arming all teachers would be a mistake but there are enough teachers out there that are already responsible gun owners that could handle the responsibility of carrying a gun in school so maybe they should have the option to do so?



Maybe there should be a locked box in each classroom that contains a gun and the teacher has the key. We already have fire extinguishers in place as insurance against fire so why not a gun just in case?

No one would expect a teacher to turn into a Rambo and get into a shoot out with a loser that is bent on murdering innocent people but if I were a kid or a parent of a child that is in the middle of an active shooter situation I would take comfort that the teacher has something more to defend the kids with than a locked classroom door.



The problem is too many guns and the real issue is that there is a growing number of people that are willing to murder. The answer is to keep guns from these people but that is a major problem.
If the teacher wants to carry, there are free training programs for them in every state. Let them carry. For others that don't want to carry, have the option of a biometric lockbox in the room. I'll bet many manufacturers would donate them or sell at a reduced cost.


If the problem was too many guns, then there would be many, many more shootings. The problem is the people who do not care about someone else's life.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The son of a friend of mine was just murdered two nights ago. He was a passenger in a vehicle who was killed in what appears to be a road rage incident. A gun would have done no good for him. Murdered only a few months from graduating from high school and moving away to college. Such a bright soul with his life cut short over...what? I have no words.


What would have saved him was no guns existing in the first place - but that is a world that will never exist - and it is depressing as hell.
first let me say, that I am sorry for your loss


I had an issue similar a few years back, where I lost a good friend to road rage..... the tool the perp used...a tire iron... what was worse was the loss was not immediate.... my friend spent weeks in the hospital , major brain damage, before she succumbed finally to her injuries.


road rage is a real problem out there...and in my opinion, its getting worse
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The proliferation of guns in this country is really one of our greatest embarrassments on the world stage, if you ask me.
Does that include cops, the military, and the entire U.S. government?

Or just average ordinary everyday individuals?
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I'm absolutely sick and tired of gun control. Enough is enough... time to solve this problem. Here's the solution:

Good people get to have guns.

Bad people don't get to have guns.

There, now this thread can die a merciful early death.
I'm absolutely sick and tired of people who don't understand natural rights. Here's the solution:

Everybody gets to own any type of weapon they please. Period.

NOW this thread can go away peacefully.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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The last recall in the US was Remington if I remember correctly. A model of bolt action rifle was immediately recalled and each one replaced. US gun manufacturers don't play around with safety. I feel comfortable dropping my carry gun on concrete with one in the pipe if requested by police.


How about we implement Mexican gun laws? Bad guys never have guns down there.


You can legally build your own pipe bombs as long as you pay the $200 tax to the BATFE and put a serial number on it. And the feds don't have the Constitutional power to make drugs illegal.


That's good most of the time but having the knowledge to safely clear a weapon is better.


According to one study there are between 450M and 600M serialized guns in circulation. No one knows how many DIY guns there are. I'm OK with both.
LOL, you do know the US govt was giving the MExican drug cartels weapons when operation Fast and Furious was going on...right? Cartels are as well armed as military!
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