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Old 10-03-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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"Awesome" Norway poised to ban all fossil-fuel-powered cars by 2025!

Perhaps they should actually ban fossil fuels? They pump a lot of oil in Norway. I mean, if oil is so bad, why not cease extracting and selling it?


Reminds one of when Frank says to Tony Montana, "Don't get high on your own supply!"

Now that's "awesome.

 
Old 10-03-2019, 07:52 AM
 
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Most of what Norwegians earn, is taken by government.
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This is what US conservatives actually believe.
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Only because it's true.
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Since you hate US "conservatives" so much, then set them straight. What is the effective tax rate in Scandinavian countries? And can you provide proof?
The Tax to GDP ratio in Norway in 2017 was 38.2%, which is a bit lower than the other Scandinavian countries, Sweden at 44.0% and Denmark at 46.0%. In none of them is tax revenue 'most' of the country's output, which would seem to suggest over 50%.

 
Old 10-03-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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Only because it's true.
Nah, not really.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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What is Norway? Is it the Country that builds huge cruise ships for successful people to enjoy? Seems like you have taken it on yourself to define them.
Wut?

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Sounds like a place you would enjoy ! Maybe smash someone's windows if they make more than you.
Yet, somehow, that doesn't happen. Isn't it amazing what transparency can do?
 
Old 10-03-2019, 10:27 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Wut?



Yet, somehow, that doesn't happen. Isn't it amazing what transparency can do?
Transparency also helps fight corruption, another aspect where Norway is among the leaders.

Down here in Portugal it is the opposite, unfortunately. Everything is rather intransparent. I think we should not only publish everybody's income on the Internet, but even get rid of cash payments above, say, 15 euros, supported by the replacement of all bills by coins, with 10 euros being the biggest one. This way cash payments between corrupt people would go down significantly because of the weight of a big number of coins.
Every wire transfer above 100 euros would require a specific description in the corresponding field. Currently most people leave it blank, which allows for bogus payments.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 11:01 AM
 
Location: NJ
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"Awesome" Norway poised to ban all fossil-fuel-powered cars by 2025!

Perhaps they should actually ban fossil fuels? They pump a lot of oil in Norway. I mean, if oil is so bad, why not cease extracting and selling it?


Reminds one of when Frank says to Tony Montana, "Don't get high on your own supply!"

Now that's "awesome.
unfortunately the earth will fail to take notice.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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unfortunately the earth will fail to take notice.
And in fact climate change may get WORSE even if every country puts all their wealth redistribution schemes in place. Natural climate change is a very powerful force.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The Tax to GDP ratio in Norway in 2017 was 38.2%, which is a bit lower than the other Scandinavian countries, Sweden at 44.0% and Denmark at 46.0%. In none of them is tax revenue 'most' of the country's output, which would seem to suggest over 50%.
Good data if correct. Norway is a bit of an outlier among its Nordic peers due to so much oil money but even they take 38% of their GDP in taxes compared to 27% in the USA and the other Nordic nations are over 40%. Norway has brilliantly gotten rich by killing the environment with oceans of oil that they've mined and sold.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 11:11 AM
 
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I don't think combustion engines will ever completely go away. There are vehicles that can hardly run on electricity I suppose. Like, excavators, most ships and planes, etc. Then there are lots of diesel generators for providing power during emergencies. So, there will always be a need to produce petroleum.
 
Old 10-03-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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I don't think combustion engines will ever completely go away. There are vehicles that can hardly run on electricity I suppose. Like, excavators, most ships and planes, etc. Then there are lots of diesel generators for providing power during emergencies. So, there will always be a need to produce petroleum.
Petroleum is a useful resource in many respects - which us another reason to not burn it willy-nilly.
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