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Old 12-10-2019, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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No, it didn't.. it reinforced it.. MSM is lying to you. the report is damning, the spying on four Americans.. it is worse than expected.
As I said before stop crying. All we heard after the Mueller Report was for the libs to shut up and deal with the findings of the Report as the Trump guys did a victory dance. Well now it's your turn. The basis of the report was to find if the collusion investigation was warranted or simply a political based waste of time. Well this report made it clear that the investigation was warranted.

Stop crying or trying to spin this and deal with the findings. And that finding made it perfectly clear that this was not a political witch hunt as YOUR biased news sources claimed.
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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Comey is the last person anyone should be listening to. How pathetic that he's your go-to guy. Says a lot about you, and it isn't good.

Would you prefer Trump who declined that anything ever happened, that he didn't lie repeatedly, and that the focus of the report was some poor decisions by people who requested a FISA warrant (which misbehavior had zero impact on issuing the warrant)?


America is some serious, deep trouble. Starting with a president who feels it is completely okay to lie about anything which pops into his head. Anyone who is denial of the highlights of the IG report, or who doesn't appreciate the degradation of our Nation, is in for a VERY rude awakening.
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:56 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why bother, the conservatives believe the FBI acted like biased idiots. Let's not the fact that they were proven wrong and Trump lied not get in the way of them being rock-brained and not wanting admit they got it wrong and that there was little bias in the FBI investigation like the IRS investigation into 501(C)s which was proven more liberal groups with the name progressive and occupy in the name targeted than conservative ones. The conservative groups were just the loudest.
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These are alarming failures. They undercut the government's position that FISA courts are a sufficient guardian of Americans' civil liberties, and that the FBI is capable of responsibly exercising the vast powers granted to it. No one should feel confident that a court would block the FBI from engaging in surveillance, even if the information was flawed or faulty.

Serious 4th Amendment violations.


Seems to be an ongoing problem within the Obama administration.



https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...-illegal-searc
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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Perfect title this morning.

Another Inquiry Doesn’t Back Up Trump’s Charges. So, on to the Next.

By the time the Justice Department inspector general’s report was released, the president and his supporters had moved on in their effort to convince Americans of the enemies arrayed against him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/u...gtype=Homepage
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Old 12-10-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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Trump wants it to go to the Senate because he knows they'll let him skate. Period. Hypocritical how he wants to call his witnesses but won't allow the Dems to call theirs.
What the hell are you talking about? The House hearings were totally controlled by Schiff. Schiff decided which witnesses were called to testify, and which were not to be called to testify. But it didn’t stop there ... at times Schiff actually interjected during the questioning to decide which questions should not be answered by the witnesses ... virtually serving as council for them!! He gaveled down Republicans when he didn’t like their questions ... Schiff’s fellow democrats interrupted questions with calls for “points of order” ... it was a totally fixed charade.

And lest we not forget about the “secret hearings’ held by Schiff prior to these subsequent public hearings! Now, you really don’t need to be very smart to sniff out this “tactic” .... but in case you need this explained .... the secret hearings were the dress rehearsal for the public hearings! To that, all I can say is that the secret hearings must have been a real “****e show” because if the group Schiff selected for the public hearings were the democrats best ones, I’d love to hear from the idiots they didn’t choose!

As for the Senate allowing the President to “Skate” .... skate what? No, what will happen, if this goes to a Senate Trial, will be an actual trial where both sides get to call witnesses and both sides get to cross examine those witnesses. Because trials are supposed to reveal the truth. They are not supposed to be a used as a show trial designed to reach a predetermined conclusion.

What so many of you deranged democrat ideologues seem to favor is the extremely dangerous and complete reverse of what has always been the most important and most fundamental legal and philosophical standard we’ve observed as a nation of laws ..... the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE! You all have long ago declared the President guilty ... guilty of what? Doesn’t matter ... he’s got to be guilty of something, and by golly, you’re gonna find something.

It’s a disgusting display of ignorance, the likes of which has never before been so openly revealed.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Wrong.
Page was a US asset, that they failed to tell the FISA judge. He did not have a FISA on him in 2014.
Yes he did have a FISA warrant in 2014, you are wrong again. They failed to tell the judge that Page was under surveillance, how did they get a warrant on him???




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Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser to during President Trump's campaign, has been the subject of a foreign surveillance warrant since 2014.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f...ce-2014-report
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Durham has WAY MORE power than Horowitz. Durham disagrees with Horowitz incomplete report.
Horowitz could only look at what the DOJ did. He could not even look at the collusion between Brennan and Clapper.
In steps Durham, to say... Horowitz report is incomplete.
Why do you care about Durham, if his findings don't go your way you will just make up some other excuses.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:21 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Yes he did have a FISA warrant in 2014, you are wrong again. They failed to tell the judge that Page was under surveillance, how did they get a warrant on him???





https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f...ce-2014-report
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...another-agency


Horowitz finds FBI lawyer falsified FISA doc; WaPo stealth-deletes Strzok connection





I take it, you were not told.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:25 AM
 
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There is many people who believe he will say yes there were problems, yes there were bad people who "Lacked candor" but it did not rise to the level of charges.

What I understand it may do more to protect the system and Intelligence Community and neither side will be happy with the results.

It will be disappointing if the IG release does not also bring forth a considerable amount of declassified documentary material in support of the findings. Arguably the list for declassification is more important than the IG report itself.



Eh! Comrade starting damage control already?
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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Perfect title this morning.

Another Inquiry Doesn’t Back Up Trump’s Charges. So, on to the Next.

By the time the Justice Department inspector general’s report was released, the president and his supporters had moved on in their effort to convince Americans of the enemies arrayed against him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/u...gtype=Homepage
Unfortunately, we seem to have reached a point where a significant portion of the populace are incapable of basic common sense, and rational thinking, and therefore subject to all manner of manipulation. This is quite dangerous to the collective freedoms we take for granted as Americans, given the forces clearly desiring total authoritarian control over us, and their unwitting followers who like sheep, simply follow, much to their own peril, along with the rest of us.

While it would be foolish to expect a universal consensus on any matter whatsoever, and particularly as it pertains to such controversial and contentious matters as political ideology, which by nature is subject to opinion .... we all should be able to reach simple conclusions based on simple, uncontested facts.

Whether you are of the mindset that Trump is a bad guy, or good guy ... whether you believe the investigation of him was warranted or unwarranted ... whether you believe the process was conducted fairly or unfairly, there is one basic fact that cannot be dismissed .... those who were at the forefront of the investigation, and intimately involved in that investigation were politically biased against him. To claim otherwise is a total fraud, and renders your position indefensible. There is no need for assumption, or opinion, just plain rational analysis. We have the FBI parties communicating amongst themselves clearly exposing not just political bias, but unhinged disdain for the President, even before he became president. The comments made need no interpretation for those with a 5th grade grasp of the English language .... comments like “Hillary should win 100,000,000 to zero” ... “He won’t win, will he? ... No, we’ll stop him”. “He’s not going to win, but we can’t take any chances, we need a back up plan”.

Clearly these comments prove beyond any doubt whatsoever, that the parties involved in the investigation were absolutely, positively, politically motivated and biased. For he IG to conclude otherwise thoroughly destroys the credibility of his “conclusions” and we might just as well have allowed Adam Schiff, or Lisa Paige to write the report .

Now, for those of you who can’t understand this very basic logic, you are not intellectually qualified to participate in an election process, either for Presidents, Congress, or dog catcher.
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