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Old 12-10-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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What the hell are you talking about? The House hearings were totally controlled by Schiff. Schiff decided which witnesses were called to testify, and which were not to be called to testify. But it didn’t stop there ... at times Schiff actually interjected during the questioning to decide which questions should not be answered by the witnesses ... virtually serving as council for them!! He gaveled down Republicans when he didn’t like their questions ... Schiff’s fellow democrats interrupted questions with calls for “points of order” ... it was a totally fixed charade.

And lest we not forget about the “secret hearings’ held by Schiff prior to these subsequent public hearings! Now, you really don’t need to be very smart to sniff out this “tactic” .... but in case you need this explained .... the secret hearings were the dress rehearsal for the public hearings! To that, all I can say is that the secret hearings must have been a real “****e show” because if the group Schiff selected for the public hearings were the democrats best ones, I’d love to hear from the idiots they didn’t choose!

As for the Senate allowing the President to “Skate” .... skate what? No, what will happen, if this goes to a Senate Trial, will be an actual trial where both sides get to call witnesses and both sides get to cross examine those witnesses. Because trials are supposed to reveal the truth. They are not supposed to be a used as a show trial designed to reach a predetermined conclusion.

What so many of you deranged democrat ideologues seem to favor is the extremely dangerous and complete reverse of what has always been the most important and most fundamental legal and philosophical standard we’ve observed as a nation of laws ..... the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE! You all have long ago declared the President guilty ... guilty of what? Doesn’t matter ... he’s got to be guilty of something, and by golly, you’re gonna find something.

It’s a disgusting display of ignorance, the likes of which has never before been so openly revealed.
You really need to read up on your facts. Dems AND Reps were in those "secret" meetings. Yes, the Senate will allow Trump to skate. They will protect him at all costs, like they have all along. This is where we are now as a country. I'm glad the Dems did the right thing, even if it costs us the election.

I have to give you props, though, for covering pretty much all of Trump's, Fox's, the GOPs talking points in your previous paragraphs. I think you managed to include them all. You're a good little loyalist.
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:03 AM
 
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Unfortunately, we seem to have reached a point where a significant portion of the populace are incapable of basic common sense, and rational thinking, and therefore subject to all manner of manipulation. This is quite dangerous to the collective freedoms we take for granted as Americans, given the forces clearly desiring total authoritarian control over us, and their unwitting followers who like sheep, simply follow, much to their own peril, along with the rest of us.

While it would be foolish to expect a universal consensus on any matter whatsoever, and particularly as it pertains to such controversial and contentious matters as political ideology, which by nature is subject to opinion .... we all should be able to reach simple conclusions based on simple, uncontested facts.

Whether you are of the mindset that Trump is a bad guy, or good guy ... whether you believe the investigation of him was warranted or unwarranted ... whether you believe the process was conducted fairly or unfairly, there is one basic fact that cannot be dismissed .... those who were at the forefront of the investigation, and intimately involved in that investigation were politically biased against him. To claim otherwise is a total fraud, and renders your position indefensible. There is no need for assumption, or opinion, just plain rational analysis. We have the FBI parties communicating amongst themselves clearly exposing not just political bias, but unhinged disdain for the President, even before he became president. The comments made need no interpretation for those with a 5th grade grasp of the English language .... comments like “Hillary should win 100,000,000 to zero” ... “He won’t win, will he? ... No, we’ll stop him”. “He’s not going to win, but we can’t take any chances, we need a back up plan”.

Clearly these comments prove beyond any doubt whatsoever, that the parties involved in the investigation were absolutely, positively, politically motivated and biased. For he IG to conclude otherwise thoroughly destroys the credibility of his “conclusions” and we might just as well have allowed Adam Schiff, or Lisa Paige to write the report .

Now, for those of you who can’t understand this very basic logic, you are not intellectually qualified to participate in an election process, either for Presidents, Congress, or dog catcher.
I agree that there are people bias against the president but Trump is so corrupt and unhinged that it would be nearly impossible to find anyone from any agency that didn't have a negative opinion of him since he has been in the public eye for decades. He is a reality show businessman that has defrauded and cheated folks for years.

Trump and his defenders consider criticism by foreign governments an interference of his election. That is such a joke and an escape from reality that most people don't take him seriously at all.
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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Horowitz has no power to bring charges. His Investigation is limited to inside our Govt.
That would be Durham. His investigation is still on going and ranges world wide and outside our Govt.

A month or so ago they announced his Investigation had turned into a "Criminal Investigation" and there was a Grand Jury involved.

Charges will come. Did you read Durhams statement that he respected Horowitz work but did not agree with it?

People will go to prison. Durham should scare the crap out of some of the people involved.
It is even more narrow than the Govt. It is limited to the DOJ. Maybe even just the FBI. The report will show what the limitations are. If it covers personnel outside the FBI, but still within the DOJ, then it is the former.
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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Actually it was Horowitz that did the Investigation and Report into Clinton.
He's a big believer in protecting the status quo and the system.

That's why many knew why this report would say what it did... Yes people are guilty but it was not that bad.
I think the reference is to the DOJ investigation in 2016 of Clinton's emails. Everything in Comey's statement was incriminating until the climax when, reversing course, he didn't recommend indictment.

As for Horowitz, true, many of us knew the bottom line months ago. But others built up the report as a crushing blow for the DOJ/IC anti-Trumpers. Another flop and PR failure.

When the Durham and Barr [when will he declassify the documents] investigation fails to meet the build-up and expectations, then what. Hire Judicial Watch to investigate ?
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The IG Report Is a Huge Blow to the FBI's Credibility. Why Is It Being Treated Like Vindication?

Brennan lied & Comey spied.
sounds like a song title
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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As I said before stop crying. All we heard after the Mueller Report was for the libs to shut up and deal with the findings of the Report as the Trump guys did a victory dance. Well now it's your turn. The basis of the report was to find if the collusion investigation was warranted or simply a political based waste of time. Well this report made it clear that the investigation was warranted.

Stop crying or trying to spin this and deal with the findings. And that finding made it perfectly clear that this was not a political witch hunt as YOUR biased news sources claimed.
Haha haha .... I hope your opinion is based on your own dogged bias rather than intellectual analysis ... for your sake.

You see, there is a clear pattern that has been established over the past three years. That pattern is basically “stop Trump from becoming President”, followed by “get rid of President Trump” by any means necessary. Stevie Wonder could see this pattern. To insist otherwise is proof of either pure dishonesty or unimaginable stupidity.

But you lefties observe no boundaries when it comes to flagrantly foolish claims, such as Pelosi claiming she prays for the President all the time, and that her only motive is not political, but simply her patriotic duty to defend the Constitution. My God, what next ... Hitler prayed for the Jews?

Nancy’s love of the Constitution seems very selective ... she doesn’t think much of the 1st Amendment, unless she agrees with what you have to say .... she certainly doesn’t care much for the 2nd Amendment, as she, as the leader of the gun grabbing democrats have made all too clear for decades .... and she isn’t a big fan of the 4th Amendment.... if it should interfere in spying and wiretapping political opponents. Of course, we ALL know how much she loves the basics outlined in the Constitution when it comes to national security and protecting our borders from illegal invasion.

I tell ya .... if I could have one wish, I would love to see YOU and those of your political leaning to experience the disastrous world you’d surely create for yourselves, left to your own devices .... so long as the rest of us could keep our world, and simply watch you suffer from afar. Because that’s what we both deserve.
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I think the reference is to the DOJ investigation in 2016 of Clinton's emails. Everything in Comey's statement was incriminating until the climax when, reversing course, he didn't recommend indictment.

As for Horowitz, true, many of us knew the bottom line months ago. But others built up the report as a crushing blow for the DOJ/IC anti-Trumpers. Another flop and PR failure.

When the Durham and Barr [when will he declassify the documents] investigation fails to meet the build-up and expectations, then what. Hire Judicial Watch to investigate ?
The DOJ IG could only compel current DOJ employees to be interviewed. Horowitz has no authority to go outside the DOJ. Many of the key players left their jobs and Horowitz could not touch them.

Durham on the other hand, already has a grand jury up and running, and he can go anywhere he likes.
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:20 AM
 
Location: southern california
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The fox is guarding the hen house internal security inspection is no inspection
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:21 AM
 
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So what was this " crucial " factor that was " key" to opening the investigation .
The report says what was not " crucial " in opening the investigation .
And it alludes to there being a "crucial" fact to opening the investigation , but as far as I have read I cannot readily identify this most " crucial " fact that prompted the investigation ?
Anyone ?
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I agree that there are people bias against the president but Trump is so corrupt and unhinged that it would be nearly impossible to find anyone from any agency that didn't have a negative opinion of him since he has been in the public eye for decades. He is a reality show businessman that has defrauded and cheated folks for years.

Trump and his defenders consider criticism by foreign governments an interference of his election. That is such a joke and an escape from reality that most people don't take him seriously at all.
You guys think Russian troll farmers on social media spending $50,000 on FaceBook ads, and $4,700 on all Google platforms, actually had a measurable impact on the election. So much so, that some of you guys claim the Russians "hacked" the election.

It's a joke that $55,000 spent by russians affected the election. This is just what Hilary spent by August 2016.

According to NBC News, as of August 2016, Hillary Clinton’s campaign has spent $61 million on general election campaign ads. In addition, pro-Clinton groups have spent $43 million, bringing the total amount spent on Clinton ads to $104 million.
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