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The Democrats are much more pragmatic. If both Republicans and Democrats lack the will to deport everyone illegally here, then there ought to be a path to citizenship.
The premise of your thread title is incorrect. Despite the partisan value of saying such things, as republican talking points, democrats would have nothing to gain from supporting illegal immigration. Legal immigrants might eventually become citizens and be able to vote, but those who entered illegally would not. Despite the bogus claim that millions of illegal immigrants voted and skewed the outcome in the last presidential election towards democrats, this has been debunked as completely false.
The fact that Trump supporters listen to him make those claims and believe them, demonstrates how thoroughly they have given up being able to think for themselves.
The Democrats want to make them legal citizens, so that they will be able to vote. And that's the crux of the issue.
The Democrats want to make them legal citizens, so that they will be able to vote. And that's the crux of the issue.
Untrue. No particular reason the illegals need to be made citizens. Legal is sufficient. Than we can think about it again a decade or two down the time line. May be a good idea some day to avoid developing a second class population. But it can wait a while.
Solutions lie in legalization for most until the problem is reduced in size to something that can be dealt with by the resource we are willing to commit to that task. Use legalization rather than amnesty for most to avoid questions about voting and citizenship for a decade or so.
The Dems know that they're going to lose the battle in 2020 but will eventually win the war when their beloved illegals have firmly taken hold of the electorate and vote 90% democrat they way black voters do.
QUOTE FROM LINK (my italics): "The new Emerson poll puts Trump at 35 percent with black voters and 38 percent with Hispanics. “If you add in Asian voters at 28 percent approval,†notes Emerson’s director of polling Spencer Kimball, “our number is very close to the new Marist poll,†which finds Trump’s approval at 33 percent among non-white voters. A recent RasmussenReports poll has Trump support among black voters at 34 percent, and even the new CNN poll has Trump’s approval among non-white voters at 26 percent.
"Why is losing black voters by a two-to-one margin something to shout about? Because if Donald Trump came anywhere close to those numbers on Election Day, he’d likely win a 50-state sweep. Minority voters — and black voters in particular — are an absolutely vital part of the Democratic base. And they don’t vote for Republicans, particularly for president.
"Over the past 40 years, black voter support for Republican presidential candidates has consistently registered somewhere between “embarrassingly low†and “nonexistent.†Running for re-election with a red-hot economy, President Reagan got just 9 percent of the African-American vote in 1984. That’s the same 9 percent GOP presidential candidates averaged ever since, according to data from the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research." [END QUOTE]
I expect many more working, middle- and upper-class blacks will turn against the Democrats for giving people in the U.S. illegally the rights and benefits that it has taken centuries for them (the blacks) to achieve.
Last edited by katharsis; 12-28-2019 at 05:33 PM..
Untrue. No particular reason the illegals need to be made citizens. Legal is sufficient. Than we can think about it again a decade or two down the time line. May be a good idea some day to avoid developing a second class population. But it can wait a while.
Nope. They do not become citizens and voters. Leave that for down the pike. They are actually a natural for the right. Conservative Catholics. After enough time the right will have had its shot at them and we can assimilate. If not they will eventually age out.
Nope. They do not become citizens and voters. Leave that for down the pike. They are actually a natural for the right. Conservative Catholics. After enough time the right will have had its shot at them and we can assimilate. If not they will eventually age out.
Oh, you're just talking about your own ideas? We're not talking about that, we're talking about what Democrat politicians endorse. And I've heard them talk about a "path to citizenship." And as others have said, the American-born children of the "undocumented" will be voting-eligible citizens as well. And that's how the Democrats plan to use them to form a fool-proof voting bloc.
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"It is clear from our research that persons who overstay their visas add to the US undocumented population at a higher rate than border crossers. This is not a blip, but a trend which has become the norm," said Donald Kerwin, CMS' executive director, in a statement. "As these numbers indicate, construction of hundreds of more miles of border wall would not address the challenge of irregular migration into our country, far from it."
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Dozens of other sources if one wishes to look. But does not fit the right wing fetish with the border wall.
Net flow of Mexicans to the US has been negative over the last decade. Peaked in 2007 and down over a million since then.
I know. Great. Still didn't answer my question.
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