Will the Democratic party ever return to a moderate position that supports working Americans? (McCain, Pelosi)

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Rachel976

What Democrats propose as a "moderate" position is actual radical leftist thinking, delayed. Take, for example, the "public option" offered by the so-called moderates in place of the Medicaid-for-All proposed by the socialist. The fact is a public option, which doesn't have to worry about making a profit and can simply allocate taxpayer funds toward propping it up, will drive all private insurers out of business within a year or two. Hence: Medicaid-for-All, but delayed a short bit.


And I hope nobody is fooled into thinking Biden is a moderte. He is far to the left of Obama, and, as just one example, is in favor of giving health care to illegal aliens.

Oh boo hoo. The worlds smallest violin is playing a tune just for the poor health insurance companies

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by Tall Traveler

I don't think the Democrats will ever return to a policy of supporting the working class unless they get wiped out in a couple of election cycles.

The top 15% of richest US congressional districts in the nation, are represented by 56 Democrats and 10 Republicans.
Democrats have become the party of the rich & wealthy 1%'ers.

[Toyman at Jewel Lake]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I don't need to, because all your points are biased BS. They disprove themselves if you aren't in the tRump cult

So in other words, you can't dispute facts? Got it.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Wow, that is obviously slanted with a right wing bias. Sanders IS for the American worker.
Biden isn't. tRump isn't either

I'll not even try to clue you in on facts as I would be wasting my time.

Originally Posted by BentBow

The top 15% of richest US congressional districts in the nation, are represented by 56 Democrats and 10 Republicans.
Democrats have become the party of the rich & wealthy 1%'ers.

Hypocrisy is the contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character traits or inclinations, especially with respect to religious and moral beliefs; hence, in a general sense, hypocrisy may involve dissimulation, pretense, or a sham.



Sounds like the definition of a progressive liberal.

[EddieB.Good]

Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake

It has become pretty obvious this election cycle that the Democratic party has completely abandoned any sense of centrism and any efforts to represent the American working class. They have done nothing but attack working Americans and demand that they pay an ever-higher portion of their earnings to fund government. This above the 40% or more of our earnings that we already pay.

Now, that is of course my opinion-tell me, are the following policies aimed at helping or hurting American workers or taxpayers?

1) Working to "level the playing field" regarding our international trade practices. One where our companies and workers are allowed to compete fairly and have the same access to foreign markets that we allow foreign producers to ours?

2) Tax laws that don't penalize companies that employ workers and produce products built in this country.

3) Reducing business taxes to a level competitive with the rest of the world, rather than one that is punitive and drives businesses to purchase products produced elsewhere.

4) We need federal tax revenue-no question. What is a better approach? Direct taxes on American workers and businesses-taxes that punish Americans and encourage companies to move out of this nation? Or taxes on imported goods? (hint-prior to the 16th amendment (income tax) most revenue was from tariffs).

5) Illegal aliens increase competition for low wage, unskilled jobs. This depresses wages and costs jobs for American citizens. Can someone explain just how this helps American workers? Particularly low-skilled, minority workers? A steady supply of low-wage illegals IS something some businesses want. But NOT something that helps American workers.

6) Both controlling illegal immigration and tax policy that encourages domestic production are NOT things that American corporations support. They would prefer to outsource production to foreign nations with cheap labor and no safety and environmental regulations. They also want their supply of cheap illegal workers. Both of these are things that DEMOCRATS have embraced-and President Trump has opposed. To be fair-both establishment Democrats and Republicans favor cheap imports and illegal workers-and have sold out the American working class.

7) Can someone explain just how raising taxes and forcing American workers to fund illegals...helps American workers? We spend some $140 billion a year-money taken from working Americans in the form of taxes, on illegals every single year. Again-just how does this help the American working class? We sacrifice our educational system-rather than offering things like honors classes and doing a better job of education Americans, we spend a disproportionate amount of our educational dollars paying to support "ESL" programs and catering to illiterate foreigners that can't even make the effort to learn English.

8) Let's talk about guns. Gun owners I am aware of are working class people. Most concealed carriers I know are. Let's face it-the American working class can't pay for the private security that protects billionaires like Mike Bloomberg and don't get government funded security like, say, Nancy Pelosi. We are the ones that are often working in sketchier neighborhoods and deal with crime. Yet we are the ones that Democrats are trying to disarm. The Democratic party, as a whole seems to empathize far more with criminals than law abiding American workers.

9) "Tax the rich". American workers are not stupid, like liberal talking heads seem to think we are. American workers know that, without successful businesses, we won't have jobs, or will have to get out of our comfort zones and create our own businesses, which some simply don't want to, to say nothing of the vast majority that lack the skills and abilities to do so. We know that we need people willing to risk their life's savings, and frankly, to bust their butts, to get a business off the ground to provide us with job opportunities. We do not support idiotic, punitive taxes and regulations that punish those that make the effort, take the risks and succeed. Yet we have the bulk of the Democratic candidates promising to punish success-and reward incompetence and laziness. We also know that "the rich" already pay taxes at a vastly disproportionate rate, and that if we drive them out of our states, let alone our nation, the rest of us will have to pay far more to make up for the taxes they pay.


In short-the policies President Trump has pushed, are aimed at helping the American working class. He actually has sided with American workers, even with policies that big businesses opposed. Even when those policies are opposed by both establishment Democrats and Republicans, who in far too many case are in the pockets of corporations.

The Democratic working person has a tough choice to make this year. They can vote for a screeching, ranting old loon of a socialist. One whose efforts are aimed at destroying businesses, killing jobs, and punishing success. Or they can vote for a senile plutocrat that has spent his career fighting for the credit industry over American workers. While both want to violate their civil rights, make American workers slaves to illegals and weaken this nation.

My questions-just when did the Democratic party abandon the American working class? And is it possible they will ever return to embracing policies that actually support American workers, economic growth and freedom?

It's amazing how the party that opposed raising the overtime threshold for salaried workers can say with the straight face that anyone else is anti-worker.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake

So in other words, you can't dispute facts? Got it.

That's your take, my words speak to themselves if you aren't a tRumper

[chiociolliscalves]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

So why the hell don't Republicans, including Trump, advocate doing away with government welfare for those who don't work? The age old answer to that? There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the Republican and Democrat parties.

Why do you care what Republicans think or do? How is it any of your business?

[OutdoorLover]

Are people just going to go along with Putin's choice as they did in 2016 - vote for someone who's best for the Kremlin, or will they vote for someone who's best for the American people?

Are they going to vote for the most dishonest, the most corrupt, the most self-interested politician in history, or are they going to vote for the Democratic nominee?

[rkcarguy]

Originally Posted by natalie469

Democrats have always supported unions which look out for the middle class. They train them and provide good pay and healthcare.

They do, on the surface, but do some digging, and they don't. If you don't NEED an item that is made by union labor and there is a Chinese item that is 1/3rd of the price, 90% of consumers are going to buy the cheap one. So the democrat is just being a two faced player to the Unions saying "we support you" while behind the union workers backs they are endorsing "free trade" and open border policies. These items are then produced by cheap illegal labor and/or overseas, and union workers spend more time at home on unemployment benefits than at work.

[Listener2307]

Will the Democratic party ever return to a moderate position that supports working Americans?

Working Americans do not vote Democrat.
University professors do, bureaucrats do, college students, homeless, welfare recipients, and some union members do, but the average working American? ....... Nah.