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Old 03-26-2020, 07:25 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Right - 100 years ago we chained natives together (Congo) and made them do Palm Oil or Rubber....whereas today we actually sometimes PAY THEM for it.

It was quite normal to cut off arms as a punishment...for those who didn't harvest enough for Palm-Olive.

Big difference. I bow to your historical knowledge.

Here is your Free Trade from the good ole days!
https://www.pinterest.com/davehunter9212/belgian-congo/
you should bow eternally, because 'we' did no such thing.

the USA is not belgium

 
Old 03-26-2020, 07:28 AM
 
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One thing missed with all this is how badly government run healthcare is doing dealing with the virus in Europe. If anything this virus should give us pause at trying any type of socialized healthcare that Sanders and Biden are pushing.

Countries like Spain, Italy, France etc with their government run healthcare are having all sorts of problems. Yes the USA has more cases than any one EU country outside of Italy. But if you take the EU as a whole (which is about equal to our economy) they are doing much worse.

There are at least 270K cases in the EU and at least 15K deaths. Compare that to our numbers.
Only silly people believe there are only 270k cases in the EU. The deaths reflect the people who contracted the disease weeks ago. How many had the disease two or three weeks ago? America had more time to prepare than the EU. Italy probably has had the virus for more than three months now. Donald "just like the regular flu" Trump spent two months doing nothing.
 
Old 03-26-2020, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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The situation is Spain, France and Italy is truly a shock. 743 deaths in Italy yesterday per the WHO. Spain is right behind with 523. It's like a war zone in my imagination. These are not comfortable deaths. For the people working in the hospitals, I hope their governments have plans to mitigate the trauma of losing so many people in such a scene.

I am struggling to comprehend why so many are perishing.
 
Old 03-26-2020, 07:31 AM
 
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I'm curious about something. Just how much of an economic boon has this virus been to the media industry? They make money from advertising, on either broadcast, print or web-based media. I can't help but notice just how many people are watching the news, following on the web and even reading the paper (thought by the time newspapers are published the news is out of date!).

Who's advertising? The ads you see now were probably bought a long time ago but if your business is shut down and you have no customer revenue then there's no need to advertise.
 
Old 03-26-2020, 07:34 AM
 
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Only silly people believe there are only 270k cases in the EU. The deaths reflect the people who contracted the disease weeks ago. How many had the disease two or three weeks ago? America had more time to prepare than the EU. Italy probably has had the virus for more than three months now. Donald "just like the regular flu" Trump spent two months doing nothing.
I can only go by reported cases. Deaths are probably more accurate. The EU has 15 times the deaths compared to the USA.

Italy had 133 deaths almost 3 weeks ago. And they alone are 1/6th the size of the USA. That would equal 800 deaths here. No matter how you slice it socialized medicine is no panacea regarding the virus. It seems when you have no private sector healthcare industry to turn to that makes it more difficult for governments to deal with.
 
Old 03-26-2020, 07:36 AM
 
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The situation is Spain, France and Italy is truly a shock. 743 deaths in Italy yesterday per the WHO. Spain is right behind with 523. It's like a war zone in my imagination. These are not comfortable deaths. For the people working in the hospitals, I hope their governments have plans to mitigate the trauma of losing so many people in such a scene.

I am struggling to comprehend why so many are perishing.

At least all those people in the hospital have free healthcare.
 
Old 03-26-2020, 07:40 AM
 
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The situation is Spain, France and Italy is truly a shock. 743 deaths in Italy yesterday per the WHO. Spain is right behind with 523. It's like a war zone in my imagination. These are not comfortable deaths. For the people working in the hospitals, I hope their governments have plans to mitigate the trauma of losing so many people in such a scene.

I am struggling to comprehend why so many are perishing.
So many are parishing because, in case you haven't heard, this is a very contagious and virulent virus.
 
Old 03-26-2020, 07:42 AM
 
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The situation is Spain, France and Italy is truly a shock. 743 deaths in Italy yesterday per the WHO. Spain is right behind with 523. It's like a war zone in my imagination. These are not comfortable deaths. For the people working in the hospitals, I hope their governments have plans to mitigate the trauma of losing so many people in such a scene.

I am struggling to comprehend why so many are perishing.
Older population, greater prevalence of smoking are my guesses. You forget in the US how acceptable smoking used to be. In Southern Europe especially, the stigma is not what it has become here.
 
Old 03-26-2020, 07:42 AM
 
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I can only go by reported cases. Deaths are probably more accurate. The EU has 15 times the deaths compared to the USA.

Italy had 133 deaths almost 3 weeks ago. And they alone are 1/6th the size of the USA. That would equal 800 deaths here. No matter how you slice it socialized medicine is no panacea regarding the virus. It seems when you have no private sector healthcare industry to turn to that makes it more difficult for governments to deal with.
Deaths reflect the people that got infected weeks ago. The people who die in America now are the ones who contracted it when reported corona virus cases were less than 10 000 people. So if you go by reported cases the way you define the "death rate", it is 10%.

Why does Europe have more deaths? Because it has been circulating in Southern Europe for many months already. It has nothing to do with "socialized medicine" (many of the countries you talk about do not have socialized medicine).
 
Old 03-26-2020, 07:43 AM
 
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Older population, greater prevalence of smoking are my guesses. You forget in the US how acceptable smoking used to be. In Southern Europe especially, the stigma is not what it has become here.
But diabetes is more of a risk factor than smoking from what I've seen.
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