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Old 11-11-2020, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I think you have that backwards. What society is and where it's going is reflected in art and culture.
I am actually saying it's *both*. Like a two-way mirror.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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No one over 50 will go see this garbage. There goes their profit.
I'm 73, and I will most likely see it.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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I'm 73, and I will most likely see it.

To each their own. I'm almost 60 and I will most certainly not.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Sort of.......for the women all must give way to 007 in the end, be it in bed or be it dead.

Now maybe after Casino Royale (which I don't regard as Bond, anyhow, but that's another thread) that changed, but before that....they may have been SMART, they may have been deadly, they may have even able to fly higher than him but in the the end, they all ended up under him.
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Well, he's the main character of each movie and of the series. That's the way things usually go in the movies: the hero almost always wins.

All of the males who are his nemeses typically end up dead too.

As for the women ending up "under Bond", that's an interesting take on male-female sexual relations. I.e. that the male is always the dominator (getting something) and the female the dominee (giving something up).
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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The Bond series doesn't define society on its own of course, but every piece of culture and "art" that's popular contributes to what society is and where it's going.

The early Bond movies saw 007 playfully slapping the butt of female actresses ("on your way now, honey!") but that has totally disappeared from movies. Bond girls have evolved away from the "damsel in distress" role to more assertive, independent and feisty female characters, often equal to Bond in strength (intellectually, strategically and physically).

Obviously this is not coincidental or happenstance.

Nothing exists in a vacuum.
Yeah, but which is cause and which is effect?

Women didn't, as a group, decide to move away from being helpless damsels running from danger in tight skirts and 3-inch heels, being dragged by the hand by Sean Connery, because of Bond movies. Those scenes were never realistic either.

Nothing about a Bond book or movie was EVER realistic. There was always an element of spoofing the action hero stereotype. That's part of what makes them so fun.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Well, he's the main character of each movie and of the series. That's the way things usually go in the movies: the hero almost always wins.

All of the males who are his nemeses typically end up dead too.

As for the women ending up "under Bond", that's an interesting take on male-female sexual relations. I.e. that the male is always the dominator (getting something) and the female the dominee (giving something up).
I'm not knocking it either way, I am just rather stating fact.

As to position male superior, look at it this way: in order to get the bed scenes looking "civilized" and to maintain the PG rating, it is probably to the advantage to have the boy on top and the girl on the bottom so the only things shown are suggestive and not graphic. There are, of course, other positions where such might be (and have been) achieved but their level of being "civilized" is debatable.
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Old 11-11-2020, 09:03 AM
 
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Yeah, but which is cause and which is effect?

Women didn't, as a group, decide to move away from being helpless damsels running from danger in tight skirts and 3-inch heels, being dragged by the hand by Sean Connery, because of Bond movies. Those scenes were never realistic either.

Nothing about a Bond book or movie was EVER realistic. There was always an element of spoofing the action hero stereotype. That's part of what makes them so fun.
Go read some of Ian Flemmings original books and you'll change your opinion.

They're *wildly* different from the movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fl...cond_World_War
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Old 11-11-2020, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Go read some of Ian Flemmings original books and you'll change your opinion.

They're *wildly* different from the movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fl...cond_World_War
Mostly. As it is, I do believe I have read the original Fleming Bond (not the Diamond Smugglers though I do have it) books....including The Spy Who Loved Me.

OHMSS was about the closest to the book.

The Living Daylights was a SHORT story but what was in the story was in the movie.....just that the movie had to go a lot farther. Just as was "For Your Eyes Only" in that the essential points of the SHORT story was in the movie, just had to go farther....including borrowing from another book.

Could a movie be done on just the book? Sure.....but it would probably be as exciting a movie as a Harry Palmer flick.

Curious thing about those books I read in HS, from Fleming to MacLean to Wilbur Smith. Some of those books make excellent movies as they are such as Wilbur Smith's Shout at the Devil of MacLean's Fear is the Key. In the latter one's case, Puppet on a Chain was pretty good as a movie but less violent than the book and Ice Staton Zebra was dismal as a movie.....when compared to the book.

Still, however, there really is no franchise on MacLean's books as movies. Supposedly they were trying to make the hero of When Eight Bells Toll into a movie franchise but that flopped....and it is just as well. As 70s action flicks go, that was a little bit too mushy even for me.

One thing about 007 flicks is that if the woman is evil, she does end up getting her just desserts. They, and neither did Fleming as I recall, don't pull any gentleman punches there.

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Old 11-11-2020, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Go read some of Ian Flemmings original books and you'll change your opinion.

They're *wildly* different from the movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fl...cond_World_War
I've read all of them, thank you very much.

I believe it was 1965 when I read my first Ian Fleming novel.

Fleming died in 1964. Of course the movies are different from his novels.

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Old 11-11-2020, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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How 'woke' of them to choose her.

Certainly I don't have issues with female or black actresses, but why do they have to keep doing these annoying things where they mess around with the original source material? I have zero desire to see a female actress as James Bond 007.

And 'revolutionary?' Right.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...sm-007-casting



Women of the Year: Lashana Lynch on making history as the first Black female 007
1. in this movie she is the new 007...not James Bond


2. she has a 00 status, since James Bond is "retired"...just as Sean Bean was 006 in Goldeneye
https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/00_agents


3. she is NOT the future James Bond...they will make a selection sometime AFTER the movie has done its theater release...but they have already stated that "James" Bond is and will always be a Male


4. the Bond people, have had thoughts of "spinoffs" for a few years...Halle Berry's CIA "jinx" role from "die another day" was a planned spin off, but since DAD didn't do to well, they dropped that thought
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