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Old 11-11-2020, 04:46 AM
 
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Well, no one will force you to go see her.
No, but if the movie tanks as it likely will, cries of "racism" and "misogyny" will be heard far and wide.
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Old 11-11-2020, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Maybe if they just reversed the numbers? Instead of "007", how about "700"?
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Old 11-11-2020, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Bond as social commentary? Now that WOULD ruin the franchise.

Can you say booooooring?
The Bond series doesn't define society on its own of course, but every piece of culture and "art" that's popular contributes to what society is and where it's going.

The early Bond movies saw 007 playfully slapping the butt of female actresses ("on your way now, honey!") but that has totally disappeared from movies. Bond girls have evolved away from the "damsel in distress" role to more assertive, independent and feisty female characters, often equal to Bond in strength (intellectually, strategically and physically).

Obviously this is not coincidental or happenstance.

Nothing exists in a vacuum.
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Old 11-11-2020, 07:26 AM
 
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But it's quite okay for a black actress to play a white male character?
She's not playing a white male character. The character in the film is named Naomi, a black female agent.
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Old 11-11-2020, 07:31 AM
 
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The Bond series doesn't define society on its own of course, but every piece of culture and "art" that's popular contributes to what society is and where it's going.
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I think you have that backwards. What society is and where it's going is reflected in art and culture.
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Old 11-11-2020, 07:33 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Daniel Craig was completely slaughtered for being cast as 007. I for one was pissed. I absolutely love him and he took the franchise in an entirely new direction.

I’ll reserve judgment until I see it!
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Old 11-11-2020, 07:39 AM
 
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Hollywood is unwatchable today.

EVERY movie must have:

- White male villain
- Women beating up or killing men physically
- Forced ethnicities
- A female lead character
- Absolutely terrible storylines and over-the-top special effects.

Horrific.
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Old 11-11-2020, 07:43 AM
 
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The Bond series doesn't define society on its own of course, but every piece of culture and "art" that's popular contributes to what society is and where it's going.

The early Bond movies saw 007 playfully slapping the butt of female actresses ("on your way now, honey!") but that has totally disappeared from movies. Bond girls have evolved away from the "damsel in distress" role to more assertive, independent and feisty female characters, often equal to Bond in strength (intellectually, strategically and physically).

Obviously this is not coincidental or happenstance.

Nothing exists in a vacuum.
Correct.

Women can simply no longer appear in movies to look good and be the interest of men.

They MUST PLAY the roles of the actual men themselves, no matter how stupid it becomes.

Bond is a man. He likes beautiful women. Beautiful women like being courted by men. They usually don't like firing machine guns and killing people.

In Hollywood today though, that's not kosher.

You couldn't even make a movie like Casablanca anymore. Ingrid Bergman would need to fight men and shoot people for it to pass. And she'd need to teach Bogie a "lesson" about the patriarchy too.

Liberals ruin everything, sadly.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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The Bond series doesn't define society on its own of course, but every piece of culture and "art" that's popular contributes to what society is and where it's going.

The early Bond movies saw 007 playfully slapping the butt of female actresses ("on your way now, honey!") but that has totally disappeared from movies. Bond girls have evolved away from the "damsel in distress" role to more assertive, independent and feisty female characters, often equal to Bond in strength (intellectually, strategically and physically).

Obviously this is not coincidental or happenstance.

Nothing exists in a vacuum.
Sort of.......for the women all must give way to 007 in the end, be it in bed or be it dead.

Now maybe after Casino Royale (which I don't regard as Bond, anyhow, but that's another thread) that changed, but before that....they may have been SMART, they may have been deadly, they may have even able to fly higher than him but in the the end, they all ended up under him.
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She's not playing a white male character. The character in the film is named Naomi, a black female agent.
Ooooooh, the anguish! Another Bond legend dashed! For before, the only, right?, the best Naomi was.......Caroline Munro.

Of course, that Naomi was something of a first, too, in 007 flicks.......she was the first woman killed directly by 007.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:12 AM
 
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Sort of.......for the women all must give way to 007 in the end, be it in bed or be it dead.

Now maybe after Casino Royale (which I don't regard as Bond, anyhow, but that's another thread) that changed, but before that....they may have been SMART, they may have been deadly, they may have even able to fly higher than him but in the the end, they all ended up under him.

Ooooooh, the anguish! Another Bond legend dashed! For before, the only, right?, the best Naomi was.......Caroline Munro.

Of course, that Naomi was something of a first, too, in 007 flicks.......she was the first woman killed directly by 007.
Everybody ends up under bond in the end.

Well, unless you read the books. The man with the golden gun doesn't end so great for Bond.
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