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The Peel Commission Report of 1937 (link). I probably should have referred to British acquiescence rather that encouragement. Here's an excerpt:
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Originally Posted by Peel Commission
63. The eight and last grievance relating to immigration is that the Jewish Agency views with grave concern the large and continuous influx of unauthorized migrants from the neighbourIng countries which results from the uncontrolled state of the land frontiers of Palestine. The Agency submitted that this influx deprives Jewish immigrants of the opportunities of absorption created by Jewish effort and raises grave social and security problems. The Jewish Agency urged that effective measures be taken to put an end to such infiltration. We have already discussed the subject of illegal immigration and have mentioned certain suggested remedies in paragraph 46 of this chapter.
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Originally Posted by Hesychios
We have a region in a perpetual twilight zone with no escape. Instead of constructively approaching a solution we have hysterical screeching voices demonizing the people who have been living there for thousands of years and didn't ask for this situation thrust upon them. That is no way to solve this problem.
Both parties have lived there thousands of years without "world" involvement in the back-and-forth.
There are problems with that analysis. After the U.N. resolutions the Arab countries unanimously expelled their Jews and confiscated all of their property. The Arabs unleashed the "Nakba" (yes a disaster for them) by refusing to sit down and hash out the details of the coming Jewish state. When "the world" decided, by acquiescing in the Holocaust to kill or expel its Jews, the Jews had to go somewhere. When part of the jigsaw puzzle fought and wouldn't move what alternative did the Jews face? National suicide?
Considering New York City has more Jews than Israel, I can think of at least one country that Jews could have gone to other than suppressing Palestinians, marginalizing them into controlled apartheid camps, and stealing their lands and homes.
There were a lot of options the world did not use, instead bowing down to Zionist demands, and terrorists like Menachem Begin who was called a terrorist and a fascist by no less than Albert Einstein and 27 other prominent Jewish intellectuals in a letter to the New York Times which was published on December 4, 1948.
The Palestinians were innocent and had no say in being displaced. Fact.
You mean the Palestinians who elected leaders with the sworn goal to destroy Israel? You really think a country should give voting rights to foreigners who would like to see it weakened?
Liberals sure are willing to throw Israel to the wolves.
You are being disingenuous. Hamas is different than the Palestinian authority in the West Bank. Care to correct your assertion, or are you going to stick with your propaganda?
The more I read from liberals who are willing to see Israel destroyed - suggestions have ranged from relocating the Israeli Jews to New Jersey (and turning Israel over to the Palestinians) to giving the Palestinians, who despise Israel, the right to vote to help destroy it, the more I think Israel should stop playing nice and instead expel the foreigners in the West Bank and Gaza back to Jordan and Egypt.
After all. The Arab countries had no qualms expelling nearly a million Jews. Why can’t the Jews expel the Arabs?
So, you advocate two wrongs making a right? Whataboutism at its extreme!
The Palestinians have been there since time immemorial, and many are descendants of Jews, who converted to Islam. THEY have the right to be there, new settlers since 1948 stole the land from them.
The order is wrong. You’re saying that Israel should give the Palestinians everything they want, but rescind it if they continue to attack Israel after that.
How about the Palestinians affirm, in writing, that they officially recognize Israel’s right to exist and will not attack it if Israel cedes them land they want? Then and only then will Israel grant them land. The answer is: HAMAS won’t allow it.
You cannot make peace with people who elect terrorists with the sworn goal to destroy you.
Once again, why don't you know that Hamas is not elected in the West Bank. Why do you keep spreading false information? What is your purpose with not sticking with the facts?
The Palestinians were innocent and had no say in being displaced. Fact.
Considering that pre-1948 there was never an Arab independent country called "Palestine" and it took Egyptian national Yasir Arafat to create the first organization of "Palestinian" Arabs, pretty much out of whole cloth. You can search in vain for a "Palestinian" restaurant, or "Palestinian" traditional music. The "Palestinians" were useful for a world that doesn't have much use for Jewish self-determination or Jewish rights.
Seeing Israel controls the West Bank, and doesn't make any real moves to make the "two state solution" a reality, then should the Palestinians that are subject to Israeli domination and control not be given equal rights to all Israeli's.
Why should they be relegated to be second class human beings? The right thing to happen is that if you have any sense of democratic values, those who are subjugated to Israeli rule, become full, equal and real citizens of Israel.
It is the reality that a Palestinian nation never will exist in the West Bank. (Gaza is a different issue)
Thoughts?
Ireland certainly calls the West Bank "Defacto annexation".
Hamas was elected to a majority government to govern the PLO by voters in both the West Bank AND Gaza and remains popular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_P...ative_election. That Fatah didn't want to hand over power (which had more to do with a thirst for power than disagreeing with Hamas) doesn't change that. So, I repeat what I wrote about Palestinians voting for terrorist organizations like Hamas. Why don't you know that?
Note, the real reason why Abbas canceled elections recently is because he knew his Fatah would lose to Hamas.
So, really, you agree with me, Hamas is not elected in the West Bank.
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And Israel did not start violence. Jews declared their homeland independent and were savagely attacked by nations and groups seeking to wipe it off the face of the Earth
So, Israel disenfranchising and stealing the land and homes from Palestinians is not starting the violence? That is a real strange way of denying what violence is.
I read it three times and wasn’t sure what you were saying. That’s probably because there’s no equitable comparison, so none of it makes sense.
This is tiring. You said: "After all, it was THEIR countries that attacked Israel, and lost their land in the process." in an apparent justification of the wining side keeping the land.
Considering that pre-1948 there was never an Arab independent country called "Palestine" and it took Egyptian national Yasir Arafat to create the first organization of "Palestinian" Arabs, pretty much out of whole cloth. You can search in vain for a "Palestinian" restaurant, or "Palestinian" traditional music. The "Palestinians" were useful for a world that doesn't have much use for Jewish self-determination or Jewish rights.
Wrong. The indigenous people were and are Palestinians, and Israel settlers displaced and stole their homes and lands.
You can't deny that happened.
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