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Old 07-17-2021, 08:26 AM
 
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If not vaccines, how do we end Covid?

Trust in Trump and it will "magically disappear".

 
Old 07-17-2021, 08:41 AM
 
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The trouble with a 99% survival .... err ... 1% mortality rate is that it means we will all lose friends and family members. I've lost a brother in law, I nearly lost a nephew (over a month in ICU teetering on the brink of death), a niece was hospitalized and so on.

Republicans should of course be concerned because a 1% loss in numbers could cost them the next elections.

By comparison, in my entire life I have only once lost a family member to influenza and that was a 98 year old person. Apparently, we don't generally die of old age, we succumb to virus infections at the end of our lives due to the our failing immune systems. Which is old age related therefore we still die of old age but you'll know what I mean.
Pneumonia used to be called 'the old man's friend'. In my town where I practiced medicine since 1981, I've lost only a small handful of older patients to Influenza over the years since we were so stern on yearly flu shots. Our town lost about 150 of mostly older people to Covid 19 last year, and most from respiratory failure. One friend/doc with next to no previous medical issues died from a lung clot on his day of discharge.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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If not vaccines, how do we end Covid?

Trust in Trump and it will "magically disappear".
I just checked, and Trump is no longer president. This is Biden's failure.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 08:45 AM
 
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We're being presented with a golden opportunity to apply Darwinism's survival of the fittest theory. Dumb people will be naturally eradicated based on their choices regarding vaccines, masks, and social distancing. It's a win-win situation for anyone who isn't an idiot.
Not for the docs and medical communities all over the world trying their best to guarantee the most favorable outcomes for their patients.

There remains a vast group in our world with significant cognitive dissonance about the basis for the vaccines.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 08:51 AM
 
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100%


There's a reason the Amish don't get COVID
Sure they have. But it is difficult to get hard numbers.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 08:54 AM
 
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Why isn't that true of vaccines?
Vaccines are much stronger and useful medicine especially in large groups in a timely manner.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Not for the docs and medical communities all over the world trying their best to guarantee the most favorable outcomes for their patients.

There remains a vast group in our world with significant cognitive dissonance about the basis for the vaccines.
At no time were American hospitals ever "full to capacity."

When someone catches covid, which they need a test to even know if they have it, they're told to quarantine not call 911.

This phony fear doesn't work anymore.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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The conversation always ignores the people who can be infected and killed by those who are not vaccinated. Not everyone can get vaccinated and not everyone will generate a strong immune response if they do. The conversation is always about "me".
No, this is literally false. All of us have been bathed in propaganda about how we'll hurt others if we don't take the shot, since the nanosecond the vaccines became available. Yet you feel the need to lie about this, and imply that we need to be inundated with even more of it.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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Practice good hygiene which prevents most illness and disease. Boost your immune system so it can do its job. Vitamins and other supplements, nutritious food, exercise and fresh air. That is how many people avoided Covid or recovered quickly if they got it.

Sadly, too many people are lazy and expect a magic pill, magic mask, magic gloves or magic shot to save them.
The mRNA vaccines are almost like technological magic when you get down to examining just what they are doing and how they do it. And coming on in such a very short time, potentially saving millions of lives in the world. The greatest medical breakthrough in a century, since penicillin.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 09:01 AM
 
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The same way we ended The Spanish Flu. And a vaccine had nothing to do with it.

Our past will give you insight into the future.
You have got to get up to speed with modern medicine. A century ago we had minimal medical treatments.
Now we have a successful vaccine that can save millions of lives in the world. A whole different and much more favorable ball game today.
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