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I agree that everybody should live the kind of life they want as long as they are not hurting anybody else.
However, there is ample evidence that people on the left frown upon traditional marriage and especially male/female sex roles. In my opinion, it's a rather extraordinary claim to say that virtually all societies since the dawn of civilization got it wrong about sex roles and relationships and only people on the radical left are getting it right today.
I live, work and play in a very progressive neighborhood in a very progressive city (Chicago) and there is no shortage of progressive people in relationships/marriages and even progressive pro-choice women who (gasp!) CHOOSE to have babies! (The childless among us jokingly complain about the sidewalks being blocked by double wide strollers)
There are definite trends of this younger generation to be open to alternative relationships such as polyamory and such, (Which, incidentally, does not preclude marriage) but the hostility you imagine towards traditional relationships is either in your head or coming from a fringe that nowhere near represents the majority.
So ban parents, nursing homes, caregivers, babysitters, legal guardians, stay at home mothers, and stay at home fathers.
Excellent logic.
Stay single, problem solved.
Demanding sympathy as a female in a western country when there are plenty of women in other countries who can’t even go to school, drive, or walk outside without a male escort, is not going to happen.
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Yeah, your degree in basketweaving is surely going to pay off.
You might want to actually learn what jobs actually pay a decent salary and are projected to be in high demand before thinking a random degree and student loans debt is your key to financial independence.
I don't even know what you're on about.
It's like you're just slinging random sentences out there shotgun fashion hoping something hits somebody's nerve. It's weird.
No one is asking for sympathy here, except maybe you (??? Again, I can't even discern much of a point in what you are saying.) My mention of some men being perilous is only to make the point that women by and large understand that we have some responsibility over our choices, and if we choose poorly in the "man" department, bad things can happen. We SHOULD be careful about that decision, when it comes to committing to a serious relationship with a man. We SHOULD have high standards for lifelong promises, or activities that can lead to lifelong obligations.
Stay single? LOL dude, I'm happily married. I found one of many great guys out there, love of my life.
But if my options were "put up with a guy who is gonna make my life suck" or stay single... Yes, I'd for sure stay single. I had a lot of fun as a single person. And now he and I have a lot of fun together. If he had expected me to stop enjoying my life for his sake, then I would not have married him.
Who do you think has a useless degree? Do you have a useless degree? Or are these just random talking points you hope will trigger someone?
Oh, oh can I play?
Trans rights!
Nancy Pelosi!
Background checks for gun purchases!
Regulations on free enterprise!
Emissions testing!
Save the butterfly sanctuary!
Separation of Church and State!
I agree that everybody should live the kind of life they want as long as they are not hurting anybody else.
However, there is ample evidence that people on the left frown upon traditional marriage and especially male/female sex roles. In my opinion, it's a rather extraordinary claim to say that virtually all societies since the dawn of civilization got it wrong about sex roles and relationships and only people on the radical left are getting it right today.
I haven't seen it. Hundreds of liberal friends, and I haven't seen it. All we want is for it to be a choice, just as valid a choice as any number of other choices about life. For people not to feel that they are FORCED to do that.
And incidentally? When you actively choose that life or any lifestyle, you will be a lot more dedicated to it, than if you are pushed into it by strictly controlling family/church/community that turns on you in hate if you are, or want to be, something different.
If a woman wants a traditional gender role as a submissive wife keeping up the home and raising the kids, I promise you, so long as we're assured that she consented to that, we liberals will applaud her and wish her all the happiness.
Choices, options, freedom. The fact that you think it's a threat to your chosen way of life, that liberals "frown on it"...only tells me that you've bought into the outrage porn. Which I don't hold against you, because I have to fight against it myself from my side. It has been a very, VERY persistent overarching agenda that is meant to work on ALL of us.
But yes, liberals are willing to say that just because something "worked" for centuries in the past, doesn't mean that it's still best and always will be. We ask, "worked for whom?" If it was a system where you assume everyone was happy because only the most powerful group had a voice that mattered or was listened to... I certainly might question your assumption that it "worked" great for everyone involved.
They didn't have a choice...how was that better? Again, I don't think that less freedom is the answer here.
But one area where liberals do sometimes get it wrong (especially some of the more extreme ones), is that with freedom comes responsibility. You cannot separate the two. That's actually a fight I'm fighting with my 20 year old son right now, who wants freedom but doesn't want to deal with the consequences of his choices. Like it takes all of five minutes for the wheels to start coming off the wagon if you try to live like that.
I live, work and play in a very progressive neighborhood in a very progressive city (Chicago) and there is no shortage of progressive people in relationships/marriages and even progressive pro-choice women who (gasp!) CHOOSE to have babies! (The childless among us jokingly complain about the sidewalks being blocked by double wide strollers)
There are definite trends of this younger generation to be open to alternative relationships such as polyamory and such, (Which, incidentally, does not preclude marriage) but the hostility you imagine towards traditional relationships is either in your head or coming from a fringe that nowhere near represents the majority.
The majority of people don’t agree with radical left wing ideology because so much of it is contrary to human nature and reality.
But prominent voices within the feminist movement have called for the destruction of the traditional family at least since the 1970s. You have to wonder what kind of effect that has had on male-female relationships over the last several decades.
The majority of people don’t agree with radical left wing ideology because so much of it is contrary to human nature and reality.
But prominent voices within the feminist movement have called for the destruction of the traditional family at least since the 1970s. You have to wonder what kind of effect that has had on male-female relationships over the last several decades.
The majority of people don't agree with the radical right wing ideology, either.
In fact, radical extremists are almost by definition, pretty rare. Including the lunatic fringe of a movement such as feminism. Though I share common positions with many friends who call themselves feminists, I prefer not to use the word. It carries a lot of baggage and means a lot of different things to different people.
I once had a lesbian friend lend me a book (for some reason) written by this crazy woman who shot Andy Warhol. It was full of stuff that was just...bat crap bananas. Just because she considered herself one of the ranking voices of feminism at the time, doesn't mean that a lot of people agreed with her. I'm sure that few did...or those who followed her, didn't bother to read her book.
What most feminists want "destroyed" is the system which deprives women of the choice in the matter.
If mandatory participation by force, whether you want to or not, is part of the "traditional family" then yeah...down with that! Don't know why it has to be though.
It's not as though nobody is doing that, now that it's a choice and not an obligation. I know plenty of people who are happily living that life right now. But it's awful easy to say, if one doesn't have what one wants, that it's somebody else's fault...women, society, liberals. Less painful to the ego, I guess, to think that women are too feminist to be proper wives and mothers, than to face the fact that no women seem to want to do that with you (rhetorical you) specifically.
...But it's awful easy to say, if one doesn't have what one wants, that it's somebody else's fault....
That's the gist of most of this thread and many others on CD. Women without a man blaming men and men without a woman blaming women. Conservatives without a good relationship blaming liberals and liberals without a good relationship blaming conservatives. People with troubled upbringings blaming their parents. People only interested in those that aren't interested in them. Nobody looking in the mirror and saying "maybe it's me".
That's the gist of most of this thread and many others on CD. Women without a man blaming men and men without a woman blaming women. Conservatives without a good relationship blaming liberals and liberals without a good relationship blaming conservatives. People with troubled upbringings blaming their parents. People only interested in those that aren't interested in them. Nobody looking in the mirror and saying "maybe it's me".
Wow, good thing there’s also alimony, child support, and the division of assets.
But yes, keep insulting the IQ of stay at home parents.
It’s none of your business how married people choose to raise their kids.
Insulting the work ethic of stay at home parents isn’t going to help your argument. And there’s countless life insurance policies for windows/widowers, when their spouse is alive to buy it, this is common sense.
I have no idea how you got insults against stay at home parents out of what I said. /shrug
****s just not right. I get tired doing the world alone.
Ja during the day got friends all over town but at night that's it , no one. No one has my back,
****s just not right.
Huh? A lot of people live alone and sleep alone. Put the TV or radio on at low volume and go to sleep. Tune to a show where people are talking or calm music, not something loud and boisterous.
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