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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 03-22-2024, 09:12 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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.............If Russia wanted to just flatten Kiev, they would have done that a long time ago. They don't need anyone's permission. Russia is not doing anything currently to flatten Kiev with an occasional missile launch into the city.
Russia got kicked out of Kiev two years ago. Now, they can get some missiles through, but not all that many. And they certainly can't go to Kiev! I don't think they ever will.
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Old 03-22-2024, 10:09 PM
 
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Like Russia knows soldiers live in those apartment buildings they target?

Putin is paying you too much for your comments.
I'll say the quite part out loud so I can go and collect my paycheck Ukraine is using a common war tactic employed the world over. Using civilian facilities to house, manufacture, or launch weapons. This tactic is used for two reasons.

1) To conceal operations
2) To allow for some deniability and blaming the other side as monsters when the inevitable blow back comes.

Has been repeatedly used against US in its middle eastern conflicts.

Case in point. One of the so called "terrorist attacks" conducted against Odessa resulted in the deaths of 6 Ukrainian navy members. Now why were these members concentrated in a civilian building. Turns out they were using to launch anti-ship missiles and drones.


Personally, I get it. Civilian infrastructure can be utilized for war efforts. What we are not going to do is try to convince everyone that Ukraine takes some sort of moral high ground in its attacks. Those refineries that people are gloating about being attacked and weakening Russia, are not manned by military personnel. People killed during those attacks will not be Russian military members, but rather everyday workers trying to make a living. You can try to convince yourself otherwise, but the truth is the truth.

Now off to get my paycheck for a job well done.
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Old 03-23-2024, 12:45 AM
 
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John Kerry said the US let ISIS grow in Syria in the hopes that they would help remove Asad.

Remember, Obama "accidentally" armed ISIS on numerous occasions.

So glad that the military industrial complex had us arming terrorists so we could topple Russia's ally to make them lose their warm water port on the Mediterranean Sea.

Rah rah go team go!

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/statu...93948587487739
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Old 03-23-2024, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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How ya gonna know?... Rusia is going to say it's Ukraine no matter who it is..
Correct. Russia would 100% claim Ukraine/US/NATO was behind this. Especially when the US warned Moscow ahead of time that this attack was imminent. The warnings came 2 weeks ago.

Russia is going to say “the Americans knew because they planned it.â€
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The U.S. Embassy in Moscow issued a security alert on March 7, warning that its personnel were “monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts.†The statement warned Americans that an attack could take place in the next 48 hours.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/w...s-embassy.html

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They won't pretend it was Ukraine, if it wasn't. They don't need to as they are already at war.
I disagree. Russian soldiers don’t want to be at war right now, so the Kremlin would use this as an excuse to build troop morale or to conduct another mass mobilization. Or to try to flatten Kyiv.

Its not about who actually did it, its about who Russia will claim actually did it. And they’re only going to blame it on someone who provides them the biggest excuse to do whatever they want.

So my take is they blame Ukraine and US/NATO. Admitting your country has a terrorist problem, right after you won election, would be pretty bad for Putin.
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Old 03-23-2024, 04:40 AM
 
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I'll say the quite part out loud so I can go and collect my paycheck Ukraine is using a common war tactic employed the world over. Using civilian facilities to house, manufacture, or launch weapons. This tactic is used for two reasons.

1) To conceal operations
2) To allow for some deniability and blaming the other side as monsters when the inevitable blow back comes.

Has been repeatedly used against US in its middle eastern conflicts.

Case in point. One of the so called "terrorist attacks" conducted against Odessa resulted in the deaths of 6 Ukrainian navy members. Now why were these members concentrated in a civilian building. Turns out they were using to launch anti-ship missiles and drones.


Personally, I get it. Civilian infrastructure can be utilized for war efforts. What we are not going to do is try to convince everyone that Ukraine takes some sort of moral high ground in its attacks. Those refineries that people are gloating about being attacked and weakening Russia, are not manned by military personnel. People killed during those attacks will not be Russian military members, but rather everyday workers trying to make a living. You can try to convince yourself otherwise, but the truth is the truth.

Now off to get my paycheck for a job well done.
Job well done....I think not.

If you believe that .....I've got some nice swamp land in Florida to sell you....
half price for you ....and I'll throw in the gators for free
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Old 03-23-2024, 05:13 AM
 
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I'll say the quite part out loud so I can go and collect my paycheck Ukraine is using a common war tactic employed the world over. Using civilian facilities to house, manufacture, or launch weapons. This tactic is used for two reasons.

1) To conceal operations
2) To allow for some deniability and blaming the other side as monsters when the inevitable blow back comes.

Has been repeatedly used against US in its middle eastern conflicts.

Case in point. One of the so called "terrorist attacks" conducted against Odessa resulted in the deaths of 6 Ukrainian navy members. Now why were these members concentrated in a civilian building. Turns out they were using to launch anti-ship missiles and drones.


Personally, I get it. Civilian infrastructure can be utilized for war efforts. What we are not going to do is try to convince everyone that Ukraine takes some sort of moral high ground in its attacks. Those refineries that people are gloating about being attacked and weakening Russia, are not manned by military personnel. People killed during those attacks will not be Russian military members, but rather everyday workers trying to make a living. You can try to convince yourself otherwise, but the truth is the truth.

Now off to get my paycheck for a job well done.
I wonder how much Zelensky is paying his Ukie-bots? Which side pays more?
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Old 03-23-2024, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Denys update...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg53E_72QI4
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Old 03-23-2024, 08:42 AM
 
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The lethal capabilities of a Russian T-90M tank. One of Russia's high tech "shovels".

https://armyrecognition.com/ukraine_...9_km_away.html
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:57 AM
 
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Good stuff.
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Old 03-23-2024, 12:05 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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If Ukraine wanted to kill a bunch of civilians going to a concert they would have just launched a few drones into it. That's what Russia has done.
What would they be afraid of?.... Making Russia "really, really mad"?!
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