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Old 10-18-2022, 09:22 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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No. What will change is that these extremist politicians will be voted out.
I agree! All the extreme Democratic politicians that want no restriction on abortion should be voted out!

 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:24 AM
 
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I agree! All the extreme Democratic politicians that want no restriction on abortion should be voted out!
Aren't you clever this morning
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:24 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No......what will change is that these extremist politicians will be voted out.
How so? They haven't been able to get their extremist restrictions passed given that the majority of their state legislature would have to approve, so where's the problem?

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Then because of thinking like yours laws that were enacted to protect women will have to be repealed so they can't be used against women.
The very lefty ACLU advised that they never should have been passed in the first place for exactly the same reasons I've cited.

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Men killing their partners and children because it's more convenient than divorce and/or child support can just get enhanced penalties for harming a pregnant woman.
Why shouldn't women be held to the SAME standard? Why shouldn't they go to prison for killing their developing babies because it's more convenient for them to do so?
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:27 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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Aren't you clever this morning.
If Republicans who want to completely ban abortion are "extremists", then Democrats who want no restrictions on abortion are "extremists", as well. This is simple logic.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Abortion clinics are most likely to be located in/near lower-income neighborhoods, so access isn't the problem. If anything, the prohibitive factor would seem to be cost as abortions are not free. Given that, since lefties seem to be so passionate about supporting abortion, why is there no lefty/Hollywood celebrity/etc. charity that funds poor women's abortions? They cry, scream, prance about with bloody baby dolls, and otherwise LARP, demanding abortions for all, but won't dig into their own pockets to help the most needy women get them. Why not?
Please, red states have closed down abortion clinics so that some have only one but now none of them are open in states where there are bans. Plenty of financial support for Planned Parenthood in states where they are still open and they have access. Some countries even fund abortion but we want to make it 1871 again, we are going back in time, even Ireland came to their senses.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:32 AM
 
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That's changing now, given that state legislatures and their electorate (aka, the people - reference: the 10th Amendment) have a say in exactly which killing of developing babies they'll allow as legally acceptable. Much like killing in self-defense is legal, but killing another just because they're an inconvenience to you is illegal.
Yes.
And this speaks to the Body Autonomy Argument...e.g.: You can't tell a woman what she can do with her body.
There are lots of laws that tell us "what we can do with our body". And, the main one is: You cannot "use your body" to harm or kill innocent others. You can in self-defense...but not otherwise.
If you "use your body" (or refuse to use it) in a way that neglects/harms/kills a innocent other...there are penalties for that.
Gestating People should be included among the "Innocent Others".
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:37 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Please, red states have closed down abortion clinics so that some have only one but now none of them are open in states where there are bans. Plenty of financial support for Planned Parenthood in states where they are still open and they have access. Some countries even fund abortion but we want to make it 1871 again, we are going back in time, even Ireland came to their senses.
1) There is no state that has banned abortion.

2) If there is so much financial support for poor women to get abortions, why do they have such a LOW rate of abortion in the event of an unintended pregnancy at only 8.6%? Why aren't they taking that supposed financial support hand over fist to abort their babies?
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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If Republicans who want to completely ban abortion are "extremists", then Democrats who want no restrictions on abortion are "extremists", as well. This is simple logic.
No one want abortions, around 1% occur after 21 weeks. Do you want to ban abortions for severe anomalies and threats to the mother health, is that considered extreme. Why should a politician get to decide that outcome.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No one want abortions, around 1% occur after 21 weeks. Do you want to ban abortions for severe anomalies and threats to the mother health, is that considered extreme. Why should a politician get to decide that outcome.
Same reason why politicians (state legislatures in these circumstances) get to decide whether assisted suicide in the event of a terminal illness is legal or not.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:42 AM
 
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How so? They haven't been able to get their extremist restrictions passed given that the majority of their state legislature would have to approve, so where's the problem?

The very lefty ACLU advised that they never should have been passed in the first place for exactly the same reasons I've cited.

Why shouldn't women be held to the SAME standard? Why shouldn't they go to prison for killing their developing babies because it's more convenient for them to do so?

Yes, women should have listened to the ACLU who understood that people who were killing doctors and bombing abortion clinics would stop at nothing including perverting the law to obtain their objective.

What standard shall we hold teenagers to?

Should we try the sixteen year old girl as an adult, put her in jail for life or give her a death penalty in the states that have it?

You are in favor of executing women who have abortions in states where it is illegal to get an elective abortion and there is a death penalty.

No surprise that someone who uses grieving families would take that stand.
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