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Correct. Clearly the OP hasn't been to the Balkans or Eastern Europe, or inner city Baltimore/Detroit/Chicacago.
Some parts have been destroyed a long time ago.
I have been through Compton and Watts. I grew up in Inglewood we were one of the last white families to move out when things changed after the 1960's riots. I have also been through inner city Chicago and many other cities. These have been a blight for decades. Not something recent democrats created.
Some of those areas have gotten better over time, like some parts south central LA areas have improved. Not sure what any of that has to do with my original question of Mark Levin stating that the left wants to end capitalism and replace it with socialism.
And yes places like Portland have more blight now due to the BLM riots a couple years back. That is due to poor leadership being afraid to stand up to the protesters and rioters at that time. Not some master plan to make everything poor and broken down.
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That's because of the USA which was mostly a moderate country. If it wasn't for the USA to fight off Hitler in the 1940's or to be here to protect Canada, then yes, Europe and Canada would have been destroyed a long time ago.
Presumably you are referring to states banning false and scientific falsehoods about a man being able to become a woman and vice versa? Schools should be teaching science, math, history, English, a foreign language, etc not nonsense.
A man that has breast implants and has his penis removed is still a man. If an adult wants to do that to themselves I have no problem with it, but there is no reason to discuss odd fetishes in elementary schools. I am not sure why it even needs to be discussed in high school.
You either have freedom of speech or you don't. The left has facebook. twitter, youtube etc stopping free speech in the name of so called false information.
Now you have the right banning talk about gender, banning books etc.
Both sides are very orwellian. And if either side could figure out how to censor thoughts with a thought police so everyone would have to think like them they would do it.
The op should move to Canada or Europe then report how great it is to live there
We have the greatest country on earth. The far left and far right have yet to screw that totally up.
The left thinks the right will turn is into Nazi Germany. The right thinks the left will turn us into Cuba or Venezuela.
I have been to Canada. They do a lot of things the way the left here wants them done. Like higher taxes, government run health care and stricter gun laws and less freedoms of speech. I don't want that here but they are certainly not Cuba. Their standard of living is similar to ours.
But I get it. Partisan politics. If the right said the left is going to destroy the country and turn it into Canada, that does not hit hard enough. So you say Venezuela because it works better politically even though its never going to happen.
Left wing and right wing mean different things on a country by country basis , which is why it's incorrect to use the American understanding of said terms in reference to the political spectrum that exists in foreign countries .
That said the fact of the matter is that in certain aspects , certain European countries can be said to be much more " right wing " than the United States , as demonstrated by these examples :
2. Poland has much stricter abortion laws ( at the national level to boot ) than the USA .
3. In spite of overall having much stricter gun laws , Croatia doesn't have a law which states that one is barred for life from buying/owning/possessing firearms after committing their equivalent of a felony level offense , whereas the " felons can't own firearms " law very much applies in the States .
It's also worth a mention that in Croatia ( if not all Balkan countries in general ) the maximum penalty for firearms offenses is no more than a few months in jail , i.e. you can literally be caught hoarding a garage full of AK's and only get sentenced to two months in jail , which is part of the reason as to why illegal firearms ownership/possession is so widespread in that corner of the world .
Moving on the truth is that socialism in the proper sense of the term , that is an ideology advocating for an economy based on public/common ownership as opposed to Bernie Sanders style " everyone gets to attend college for free " style socialism , has been in decline throughout the Western world for quite some time now .
It's no accident after all that the biggest advocates of otherwise partially Marxist inspired contemporary left wing politics so willingly team up with giant corporations , since most present day left wingers aren't actually socialists , but social liberals who sometimes refer to their " welfare state " type economic policy as being socialism due to a combination of wanting to seem original/being ignorant of what socialism actually means .
As for the question of why countries that can be said to be more " left wing " than the United States in certain aspects haven't been destroyed yet , I'd say that the short answer is that it takes quite a while to destroy any mighty civilization , which these countries also happen to belong to just like the United States .
That said I must remark that your use of the word yet has been most appropriate OP , since if things keep on going on the way they have been since the post WW2 era , then all three places ( namely Canada/Europe/the USA ) will end up being destroyed IMHO .
While I don’t disagree with what you’ve said here, I think it could be simplified, and a more accurate picture created by highlighting the fact that the term “liberal” has been distorted to the extent of incoherence, and especially so with the common, and might I add, deliberate confusion of conflating liberalism with leftist ideology. Leftist ideology and liberal ideology are historically at odds, and not at all synonymous.
Thomas Jefferson was a liberal, but certainly not a leftist. His brand of liberalism is often referred to as Jeffersonian Liberalism, which in today’s political vernacular might be assailed as right wing extremism. President John F Kennedy was a liberal, of similar ideology as Jefferson. In fact, Kennedy is said to have proposed a toast at a White House dinner one evening “Ladies and Gentleman, this table may have never seen a greater collection of intelligence and wisdom than we have here tonight, except when Thomas Jefferson dined alone”.
A better understanding of what has really happened to the political landscape in the United States, is succinctly summarized in the following video, as it clearly highlights the left’s hijacking of the label, Liberal.
I disagree we would not be like European socialist countries. We do something they dont do in very large numbers. And that is we have a virtual open border and allow millions of uneducated, needy people across our borders. It is a lot easier to have strong social welfare systems when you have a population that shares the same culture/language and work ethic. Bernie Sanders has for a long time now been America's most visible supporter of an America with a European style Socialist society has said that himself
While I don’t disagree with what you’ve said here, I think it could be simplified, and a more accurate picture created by highlighting the fact that the term “liberal” has been distorted to the extent of incoherence, and especially so with the common, and might I add, deliberate confusion of conflating liberalism with leftist ideology. Leftist ideology and liberal ideology are historically at odds, and not at all synonymous.
Thomas Jefferson was a liberal, but certainly not a leftist. His brand of liberalism is often referred to as Jeffersonian Liberalism, which in today’s political vernacular might be assailed as right wing extremism. President John F Kennedy was a liberal, of similar ideology as Jefferson. In fact, Kennedy is said to have proposed a toast at a White House dinner one evening “Ladies and Gentleman, this table may have never seen a greater collection of intelligence and wisdom than we have here tonight, except when Thomas Jefferson dined alone”.
A better understanding of what has really happened to the political landscape in the United States, is succinctly summarized in the following video, as it clearly highlights the left’s hijacking of the label, Liberal.
Yes indeed it's always an important point to make that so called " liberals " in the United States are actually progressives , what with them having hijacked the term liberal during the New Deal era , which led to the use of the term " libertarian " to describe stances that were formerly described as liberal .
Now to show how there is a back door long term insurrection by the far left happening in America. There are several aspects to this, several key points for them control and succeed and they don't need the majority of the people to do so.
1 Education. Indoctrinating youth is paramount to Marxism. To do so means having control to shape youths minds and separate youths loyalty away from family and religion so they will be loyal first and foremost to the state. The teachers unions, much of the universities along with the leftist portion of the Democratic party have a stranglehold on the education system. "Equity " and "social justice" (both being Marxist slogans) have become the main goals in many schools, in some terms it is called "woke". But woke is just a cover version for true intent, and the intent is to indoctrinate the youth .Now that parents are finding all this out we are seeing a backlash from parents, and the teachers unions along with the leftists in government became hostile toward the parents in turn because the left know that if they loose control to indoctrinate they loose the future. The climate change thing is another aspect of this, think it is no coincidence that Greta Thunberg is calling to end capitalism in the name of fighting climate change?
Greta Thunberg is a nut case. She might say she wants to end capitalism but my guess is she is going to make a lot of money money making speeches and cashing in on capitalism. Since the 60's many youth both here and in Europe push an extreme radical agenda. They are young, don't have anything and have never worked an honest day in their lives. So they go to school, become lawyers and IT professionals and that radical stuff falls away. The solution for woke schools is vouchers. Arizona is doing it for all students. Not only do you provide school choice you destroy the teachers unions.
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2 "Equity " and "social justice". We have heard those terms a lot in the last few years by the left. Another aspect for Marxists to succeed is to convince a portion of society that they are oppressed and convince said people who the oppressor is with the Marxists promising to rectify it all. We see racial and LGBTQ being the main example of this, BLM and critical race theory, the leftist school system along with politicians are teaching people they are victims and they the left are the solution. There is a difference between equality and equity, the civil rights movement we know from history was based on equality, but equity is based on Marxism where everybody must be the same, nobody less, nobody more all outcomes must end the same. But in order to achieve that some must be held back, because it's easier to lower standards than to raise them and low and behold what have the left done recently? lower education and graduation standards for kids of color in the name of equity.
Again this SJW stuff is mostly pushed by the far left youth. People who don't have anything or are poor push this stuff. There are more wealthy democrats than republicans and they let these radicals chatter. But they are not giving away their wealth. Both sides play this game. Point out the most extreme on the other side and claim that is what everyone on the other side wants or is.
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3 Control speech and information and news media. Already mentioned the left's push to use government to control speech and information. Everyone knows that all Marxist regimes have always done this because it is vital for their power. It isn't the Republicans or center or liberal Democrats calling for the DHS to censor speech or control social media, it isn't the Republicans or center or liberal Democrats that want echo chambers of approved points of view, but the fat left sure do.
The MSM is leftist. No doubt. But we are not in the era when Walter Cronkite and daily newspaper were pretty much Americans only source for news. With the internet and social media their power has been diluted. Back in the early 60's the MSM hid Kennedy's health problems and womanizing. That would never happen today. The truth about the Vietnam was able to be hidden from America for years. I have said on here if every conservative who has issues with how social media is run cancelled all their social media accounts it would bring change. But almost every conservative I know who complains about this stuff is posting on facebook all day long.
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4 Borders. Or in this case lack of them. This where the globalists come in, which for the most part are the current far left. Noe particular loyalty to country, only loyalty to the system which is a form of global Marxism. With Marxism people don't really matter they are pawns for the overall picture, lack of borders, lack of nationalism means moving people around and implementing "equity" on a global new world order scale.
The left is looking at future voters and they think its racist not to let illegals in. But there has been blowback. Lots of hispanic US citizens don't like all these people coming claiming asylum and gaming the system. The GOP has a lot of hispanic democrat converts because of how poorly Biden has handled the border.
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5 Control the police. Don't even have to get into the fact that the far left hate the 2nd amendment. Any way for people to resist them cannot be tolerated. The defund police, they aren't anti police really, they just want control of police on a federal level and at a local level they know they can't. Just look at Venezuela or Cuba, confiscate the guns and only give them to the loyal foot soldiers be they street criminal s, local militia (antifa) and the military. The far left don't control the military yet but they are working on it with CRT and such.
I am a big 2nd amendment person. If you look at polling about 40% of Democrats want to repeal the 2nd Amendment. The far left a bigger percentage.
Its very hard to repeal constitutional amendments especially when only 24% of Americans want it repealed. The SCOTUS will be conservative for at least another 20-30 years. Guns are not going anywhere. You are just fear mongering.
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6 Disband the past rewrite the history. The BLM protests?, look how it morphed into "white people this white people that" , then the statues got torn down, then constitutional law was replaced with "social justice" in education, then trigger warnings of "offensive language" was placed on the constitution, then the founders being they were white men where erased, and the narrative taught that the U.S.A is a fundamentally wrong nation and irredeemable because of the history of slavery and segregation trying create the narrative that is just as unjust now as it was then. The thing is, the constitution and the bill of rights are incompatible with Marxism, Marxism is about control by the government, the government the founders created was about preventing authoritarian control from government. Which why what I said above , it is all about discrediting the founders greatest creation, the constitution. I posted several times the video of students signing a petition to abolish the constitution and they gave all the current leftist talking points why
People have a right to protest. Whether it be BLM, Antifa, Proud Boys or the Jan 6th ones. Rioting no, never. Look there are people on the left saying everything you mentioned. But most of it is not mainstream democrat policy. Yes marxism is incompatiable with the constitution and the bill of rights but slavery should have been too. And I disagree totally in tearing down statues of our founding fathers. I am not big on confederate statues. They were fighting against the US government, partially to continue slavery. They should not be honored.
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7 Control the money. Do I need to get deep into that proving the far left seek that? But I will remind that Biden's nominee for comptroller for the treasury was a communist who said the government should take control over banking to better disperse as they see fit for instance to fight climate change.
OH BTW all this talk about "democracy" and "democracy is at risk" the democrats say. Or the fact that the left want to end the electoral college and stack the courts and have direct democracy? Venezuela once had a constitution similar to ours that limited government Chavez convinced the people to have a direct democracy vote (will of the people) to give him reform to rewrite and edit the constitution and from that he stacked the courts, routed out any opposition , and became a dictator. There is a current poll out there that says 30% of American democrats no longer view the constitution as viable
So I dunno you tell me?
The majority of the left in this country want us to be more like Europe and Canada. Not Cuba or Venezuela. You are trying to connect a bunch of dots to have a conclusion that is not reality. You pick and choose statements by far left wackos and apply it to all Democrats. The vast majority of wealthy people are democrats. And few if any of that want all their money taken away. Nothing is stopping them now from liquidating all their assets and writing one big check to the IRS. But that is not happening.
Regarding stacking the courts. Some on the left want that. Congress could do that. But no sure it would get enough democrats to pull it off. And now that the GOP will control the house. Its not happening anytime soon. Biden has no direct control over how many justices there are.
Data shows that 65 percent of taxpayers with a household income of $500,000 or more were in Democratic districts, while 74 percent of taxpayers with a household income of $100,000 or less were in Republican districts.
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The wall is fine. But what is needed is zero tolerance for illegals. Impossible to get a job or rent or buy anything. It would take the fun out of sneaking in here.
What is really needed is the end to birthright citizenship. I live in a border state and interact with people in my job that were born in the US, move back to their home country, then return to the US and cash in on their citizenship once they turn 18. They are uneducated, can't speak English, and have zero job skills. They apply for aid, and proceed to bring the rest of their family to the US with them. There are also the folks that have a child on US soil, then cash in the aid and benefits for that child, while staying in the US.
Denying jobs or housing won't work very well, since most illegals work or rent for cash from private citizens.
Ending anchor babies will eliminate the citizenship magnet currently in place.
You either have freedom of speech or you don't. The left has facebook. twitter, youtube etc stopping free speech in the name of so called false information.
Now you have the right banning talk about gender, banning books etc.
Both sides are very orwellian. And if either side could figure out how to censor thoughts with a thought police so everyone would have to think like them they would do it.
There is no reason for teaching false science in a school . A mam can not become a woman and vice versa. That is a scientific fact. So why would we teach it? It has nothing to do with speech. One can talk about it of course but it should not be in an educational setting. I could see it being taught in a psychology class as it is a mental disorder in High School.
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