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Canadians HATE their prime-minister, so much so that JORDAN PETERSON (and dozens of other public figures) publicly puts him down. Their Constitution is shredded by a Tyrant. They don't even allow for Civil Protest. They are FORCED to inject a Dangerous Drug into their veins GUARANTEEING a shorter life.
The Country is in Turmoil, the only thing holding up their Economy is their oil.
What on Earth makes you think Canada is doing well???
Canadians HATE their prime-minister, so much so that JORDAN PETERSON (and dozens of other public figures) publicly puts him down. Their Constitution is shredded by a Tyrant. They don't even allow for Civil Protest. They are FORCED to inject a Dangerous Drug into their veins GUARANTEEING a shorter life.
The Country is in Turmoil, the only thing holding up their Economy is their oil.
What on Earth makes you think Canada is doing well???
Must be a different Canada than I spend time in. I have family in the GTA and life always seems rather nice there - good services, good quality of life, etc.
You either have freedom of speech or you don't. The left has facebook. twitter, youtube etc stopping free speech in the name of so called false information.
Now you have the right banning talk about gender, banning books etc.
Both sides are very orwellian. And if either side could figure out how to censor thoughts with a thought police so everyone would have to think like them they would do it.
Not really. The problem I see here is your confusion between what constitutes freedom of speech, and the adherence to common standards and values deemed beneficial to society at large, and agreed to by most. These two concepts can sometimes be in conflict, which is why there is no such thing as absolute.
We also embrace the basic principles set forth in our Declaration of Independence, as sacrosanct …. “we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
The concept that we were all born with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness shouldn’t be a source of conflict between anyone. We should at least be able to agree with that, in principle, yes? The source of conflict comes into play when someone embraces a distorted view of what defines liberty, or what makes an individual happy. There can be tremendous conflict there.
As a very simple illustration of the point might be the mischievous youngster who finds pleasure in tossing a stone through a plate glass window. Obviously, this is not a tolerable behavior, in spite of his right to pursue happiness that we all fundamentally agree with in principle. We also fundamentally agree that it isn’t ok to run around breaking windows.
One of the basic rules governing “individual rights”, such as freedom of speech, is the concept that one’s rights extend up to, and no farther than when the exercise of such rights, violates another person’s rights, or causes harm to another. That’s were the right ends. This can also be applied to groups and societies, which requires discourse and agreement among those in the group or society.
To your point about the move to banning certain books and certain discussions about gender being a flavor of Orwellian thought police action, no, not even close to being true, but is a pure distortion of what constitutes freedom of speech.
The point of this isn’t to prevent someone from speaking freely, or authoring and publishing books, but is the inappropriate introduction of certain concepts and ideas that are inappropriate topics for young children. Many view this as an effort to indoctrinate, and sexually groom these children, and that is deemed unacceptable to society at large. The main purpose for sending children to school is to attain basic education, in reading, writing, math, science and social studies. There is no place for teaching these school children about sexuality, sexual orientation, or the private sexual practices of adults, because these things are ADULT TOPICS, inappropriate for discussion with children. Those pushing this agenda have no fundamental right to do it, because it violates the rights of the parents to decide what is and is not appropriate for their child to be exposed to. This same basic concept is even applied to movies, which observe a rating system. PG13, which stands for parental guidance, and defines the content as inappropriate for children under the age of 13. So, attempting to define this protection of the innocence of children as some form of Orwellian thought police is absurd in the extreme.
Just as we must define what constitutes liberty and happiness, we must also define what constitutes morality and acceptable conduct among members of society. And before you react to the term “morality” as some form of religious dogma, don’t. Religion may have historically served as an encouragement to observe certain moral standards, but is itself unnecessary to understand and embrace morality, such as the concept of murder being immoral conduct, or stealing, etc. You don’t need to be a religious person to embrace the idea that murder is wrong, do you? By the same measure, you should immediately agree that harming children is wrong, and whether that harm is physical or psychological, is irrelevant. Harm is harm.
So, as a society, we must have moral standards that we universally agree to, murder being an obvious one. The protection of the physical and psychological health and well being of children ought to be another obvious example of a moral standard that should not be controversial.
Canadians HATE their prime-minister, so much so that JORDAN PETERSON (and dozens of other public figures) publicly puts him down. Their Constitution is shredded by a Tyrant. They don't even allow for Civil Protest. They are FORCED to inject a Dangerous Drug into their veins GUARANTEEING a shorter life.
The Country is in Turmoil, the only thing holding up their Economy is their oil.
What on Earth makes you think Canada is doing well???
This is too funny. I don't want us to be like Canada but they are doing fine. And where is this guarantee that the vaccine shortens everyone's lives?
Trudeau is at 40% which is bad. Their unemployment rate is at 5% and GDP has been growing all year while ours has been falling.
Trump averaged 41% approval for his 4 years. At the start of the midterms both Trump and Biden were at 38%.
Canada is a wealthy country. Very expensive to live there. They are not hanging on by a thread. Neither are we.
Sounds like you are talking about Russia. Putin is in turmoil and the only thing keeping their country going is oil.
Must be a different Canada than I spend time in. I have family in the GTA and life always seems rather nice there - good services, good quality of life, etc.
The view from the Langham Hotel on 5th Avenue, may offer a different perspective than the view one might experience in East Harlem.
One major difference is that the left in other countries don’t hate the country they live in. The left in America openly state their disdain for America.
Other than that, you answered you own question when you said that there would be “higher taxes and less freedoms”. People don’t realize that Americans have quite a bit more freedoms than those living in the UK and Europe especially with freedom of speech and guns. Our government also works for us but it is not viewed that way in other countries. The left in America really doesn’t understand the left in other countries.
That's just rubbish, its pure US right wing propaganda and nothing else!
Not really. The problem I see here is your confusion between what constitutes freedom of speech, and the adherence to common standards and values deemed beneficial to society at large, and agreed to by most. These two concepts can sometimes be in conflict, which is why there is no such thing as absolute.
We also embrace the basic principles set forth in our Declaration of Independence, as sacrosanct …. “we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
The concept that we were all born with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness shouldn’t be a source of conflict between anyone. We should at least be able to agree with that, in principle, yes? The source of conflict comes into play when someone embraces a distorted view of what defines liberty, or what makes an individual happy. There can be tremendous conflict there.
As a very simple illustration of the point might be the mischievous youngster who finds pleasure in tossing a stone through a plate glass window. Obviously, this is not a tolerable behavior, in spite of his right to pursue happiness that we all fundamentally agree with in principle. We also fundamentally agree that it isn’t ok to run around breaking windows.
Of course. I am a Libertarian. My freedom to pursue happiness ends when it impedes someone's else's freedom. Civil liberties are at the top of my list of what is important. If we don't have freedom nothing else matters.
Regarding freedom of speech. The left and right have the same argument but different issues. The constitution says that government cannot limit free speech. So twitter and facebook can do what they want. Now some on the right point out rightfully that if Biden is pressuring social media into not allowing some speech then that blurs government and private business. And that is wrong in my opinion. Let people say what they want and let the people decide what to believe.
Regarding schools and books for children. I agree that every adult book should not be available for children. But I think the right is going too far on some of the books. Its not really about saving kids from harm but having a political issue to run on against the left. Bottom line is its up to the parents to censor their kids and be aware of what their kids are reading. Not every parent looks at this exactly the same.
Canadians HATE their prime-minister, so much so that JORDAN PETERSON (and dozens of other public figures) publicly puts him down. Their Constitution is shredded by a Tyrant. They don't even allow for Civil Protest. They are FORCED to inject a Dangerous Drug into their veins GUARANTEEING a shorter life.
The Country is in Turmoil, the only thing holding up their Economy is their oil.
What on Earth makes you think Canada is doing well???
There are Canadians on this forum, you know. And Americans like me who are here for a while, so we know if you are lying.
Canada doesn't allow for protests? I saw people protesting the vaccines every Saturday last year. They gathered in a park on the main drag with signs. Nothing stopped them.
As you are aware, a very small group of the thousands of protestors who occuped the Canadian capital refused to leave when they finally asked them to do so for the sake of the city's residents. The great majority cooperated. The PM invoked an Emergency Act to forcibly remove those last holdouts, freeze their bank accounts, etc., arrested some.
Now, as you surely know because it's been on Canadian TV every single day, there are hearings going on to review all those actions taken under the Emergency Act.
The country is hardly "in turmoil". It's pretty peaceful here.
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