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Stay on topic, this thread is NOT about Clinton. It is about the Bush administration and the fact that they supported, condoned etc. the torture of prisoners.
As far as I know, there were no accusations of torture of prisoners under the Clinton administration.
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The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it. ~Henry David Thoreau
I stated that locking up a prisoner and torturing them are two different things. The United States does not torture POW's or enemy combatants. As a matter of fact The WTC was supposed to be treated as a crime scene, not a declaration of war and it was not.
No, we just hand them off to other countries to be torutred, here, Clinton sent people to Egypt.
Tell that to the people who's lives were saved because the enemies were tortured..
We can sit here all day long and debate if it works or not, but there is no denying that we take part in it or have allowed others to do so upon our behalf. Thinking that Bush is the first president to authorize torture, (with Pelosi's approval and other Democrats) is just ludicrous.
Tell that to the people who's lives were saved because the enemies were tortured..
We can sit here all day long and debate if it works or not, but there is no denying that we take part in it or have allowed others to do so upon our behalf. Thinking that Bush is the first president to authorize torture, (with Pelosi's approval and other Democrats) is just ludicrous.
Stay on topic, this thread is NOT about Clinton. It is about the Bush administration and the fact that they supported, condoned etc. the torture of prisoners.
As far as I know, there were no accusations of torture of prisoners under the Clinton administration.
It is completely justified to bring up Clinton (and previous administrations) in a debate about torture if previous administrations approved or authorized the very same actions. (Black Hole | Human Rights Watch)
Its almost histerical to know that some out there think that Bush is the first and that he has done things beyond his legal authority. Your unable to intelligently argue if "Bush was a torture administration" without having others to compare it to.
We are not discussing the history of the use of torture here.... of course there has been torture throughout history. So that justifies all future torture?
If you lie down with dogs, you will get fleas.
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Some of these very far lefties think the 9/11 jerks should have assess to our attorneys and courts. Personally, I would have held the watering "devise" to have saved the lifes of the poor people murdered at twin towers. Some of our far lefties think we deseved to die. Only in America you can be anti-american, try being anti muslin in a muslin country. We as Americans have no idea how good we have it and we're worried about a little water to save millions of American lives. If one of those guys get our military or just a civilian the cut their necks off. Don't tell me any true American President wouldn't water boad to save American Lifes. Assuming they love their country of course.
What if we could have prevented 9/11 with a little water boarding. Should we have or just let Americans die?
Hmm, I wonder how you would feel about the Iraqi's waterboarding Americans soldiers, after all they come to their country and have killed innocent civilians?
It cuts both ways. You can't use torture and condemn others for doing the same thing.
It makes one a HYPOCRITE.
Torture is always wrong. And it produces highly unreliable results.
[quote=katzenfreund;7883803]Hmm, I wonder how you would feel about the Iraqi's waterboarding Americans soldiers, after all they come to their country and have killed innocent civilians?
It cuts both ways. You can't use torture and condemn others for doing the same thing.
Did you cry on 9/11?
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