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Old 06-03-2009, 11:12 PM
 
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Insurance companies = office people practicing medicine without a license.
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Old 06-03-2009, 11:36 PM
 
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Katiana,
Thanks. I was impressed with your post on this thread too!
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:42 AM
 
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The "system" is not letting anyone down. And, the "system" is available to everyone - and that is a fact.
Good morning GD. I'm sure you've read my story and of course the system lets people down everyday of the year. This is how they make a profit. The system for many who have insurance often times makes one think twice before using it. The system has neglected my sick wife when she had HMO coverage which by the way caps what doctors make which in turn throws incentives in the kind of treatment one my receive from the doctor. It's called managed care AKA--as little care as possible. So, I fully disagree that the system does not let anyone down. I only say this sincerely because I've seen it first hand, and because I've never had to deal with a person very close to me become very ill with a chronic condition it took some time for me to understand what was really going on and it was no picnic in the park by a very long shot.

One other point is why are there so many different policy plans just one insurance company provides to its clients? Why are they so confusing to most? Why are there open enrollment times?
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I agree jm and i have also ssen the heartless behaviour of insurance companys under our present system. i know a lot of people here in florida who would vote for a uhc in a instant. American health car is capitalism gone crazy and it affects human life. since i have been researching a uhc i must say i am impressed. uhc's work all over the world, is America too stupid that we cant get one up and running or just trying to please the people with money who now run American lifes. These people who dictate to the majority of America aren't even the mega rich anymore its the not quite rich enough but have enough to get what we want Americans that think they have a right to decide our health care. Their days are coming to a end and we will have a fair health system for me you and everyone and from what i have researched we can't do much better than a uhc.
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Would anyone here support a Constitutional Amendment - providing for a UHC - put before the people and the States????
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:52 PM
 
Location: The Butte
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I'm not taking an R or D stance on this. The system is broke, period. Only the rich and the welfare poor get good health care while the middle class covers the cost for others while we do not "qualify" for good care ourselves. What good is health insurance and why does it exist? I pay in thousands per year so they can exclude or deny anything that I might need them for in the first place. I'm having to back off of my "it's socialism" views on this one. Health care should be a right not a priveledge. The left wants to nationalize and the right only wants to prove the left is wrong. What is the solution?
Nope. I am a vet, I receive my medical care free, excepting my prescriptions, the quality of my medical care stinks. I am poor, poor enough to where I cannot afford to pay for medical care, so, the post is false, not all poor are receiving the best medical care.
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Nope. I am a vet, I receive my medical care free, excepting my prescriptions, the quality of my medical care stinks. I am poor, poor enough to where I cannot afford to pay for medical care, so, the post is false, not all poor are receiving the best medical care.
There is such a blindspot about healthcare in America that is such a indictment of the new rich classes more than anything else. To many on here find the prospect of you and me geting the same healthcare that they get absolutely abhorant. How dare people who work hard and are not wealthy expect healthcare of any decent standard. we are just the dregs of America and in their eyes our lives are really not important. I saw a poster on here saay that the rich poor divide is going to explode into conflict. i believe on healthcare this could now happen, i know many here in Florida whoo are at breaking point and with the withdrawal of healthcare from jobs they could resort to anuthing if Pres. Obama does not uphold his promise of health reform. We want real reform and not just allowing us to still pay these greedy insurance companys.
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Would anyone here support a Constitutional Amendment - providing for a UHC - put before the people and the States????
I would, and I'd be happy to abide by the decision, no matter which way it went.
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Old 06-05-2009, 10:14 AM
 
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Would anyone here support a Constitutional Amendment - providing for a UHC - put before the people and the States????
I've lived and worked around the Federal Government my entire life. Many of my family and ancestors have worked and have been involved with the Fed for 140 years at least, and fought in most wars this country has faced. I will say I do not like what has become of the Fed. I see a bloated government slowly taking control of our lives and money. I've seen the Washington DC area explode in population in my lifetime, I've seen first hand blue collar trades in the federal government pay double and triple salaries than those in the private sector in the last 10 or so years. I believe strongly the fed is the most affirmative action oriented entity that exists in the US in direct violation of supreme court rulings. I see quasi monopolies slowly creeping into our lives with the blessings of congress, extorting exorbitant amounts of money from its citizens.

These quasi monopolies are the essentials in maintaining a middle class lifestyle such as energy needs, food production, financial services, communications-cable, and insurance and soon to be transportation. I've seen millions of manufacturing jobs leave our shores and at the same time our borders are wide open. Why is that? I believe it is greed, power and a world view that the US needs to lower its standard of living and allow other country's markets to bloom and prosper for the greater good of the world at our expense. But at the same time keep certain manufacturing in place for military reasons. Another words Congress does not represent Americans but the world as a hole. That is what super powers do.

A Constitutional Amendment should not be necessary if our leaders in Congress, in which many trumpet capitalism, in concert with the States and industry leaders get to the bottom of the health insurance mess and prove to Americans that capitalism truly works. Because in this sector it is not working and is failing rapidly while a few get filthy rich off the backs of struggling families. They should make it very clear what it is that is driving the cost through the roof, remove all barriers in order for people to receive treatment regardless of pre-existing conditions. Regulate what needs to be regulated and create competition. And let doctors be doctors not some ******* essentially working for the insurance company and not the patient. And dump the slave driving employment=health insurance nonsense in the garbage heap once and for all, where it belongs.
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Old 06-05-2009, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It is not selfish to enjoy the fruits of ones labor. Do you suggest that people who are employed in frivolous occupations such as Hollywood should have unlimited earning potential but people who are involved in vital life saving endevours should have caps on their earning potential. As soon as you stop being selfish and put a cap on your own earning potential you may be able to speak on the subject.
That is why I don't want to donate the fruits of my labor to the middle men, who I find unnecessary and crooked, between health care and me.

What Hollywood deals with doesn't make for a life and death situation for Americans. Its entertainment, and the only way this parallel stands if you see health care as such.

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Would anyone here support a Constitutional Amendment - providing for a UHC - put before the people and the States????
I don't see the need, but couldn't care less. Either way, if people got to pick as opposed to politicians, lobbyists and corporations deciding it for them, I have a feeling that you won't like the way it goes, even as you stand to benefit from it.

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