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NOW, YOUR SITUATION IS UNIQUE AND I DO RESPECT YOUR SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY, BUT YOU ARE AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE BUDDY! MOST OF YOUR ILK ARE LEECHES AND DID NOT SERVE OR PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE FACE IT!
Talk about jerks - I never said I served - you are making assumptions.
AND, if you were so smart you would have known there are ways to "opt out" of Social Security and Medicare and you would not have had to pay one dime into it - of course you would never get social security or Medicare but, that is another issue.
Now, for your little tirade and complaining - you are complaining to, and about, the wrong people - you see, it is the Federal Government who set this little scheme up. You are trying to assess blame to people who are doing what the Government told them they have to do (pay into the system).
So, take a chill pill junior - go get some education - get a good job. Who knows, even you might be able to make a financial success for yourself and them you won't have to take any social security in your older years -
Please tell me that it is your political leanings that is talking, and it isn't really you, that you believe that is how Obama thinks.
You must have missed his press conference where we heard it from Obama's own lips. You must not know that the British Healthcare system, advocated by Mr Tom Daschle in his own book, and who was Obama's original choice for Health and Human Services, has a treatment formula based on cost and number of years you are expected to live. You can check my posting history, I've been railing about this issue since he named Daschle (who had to back down) not since the public finally caught on to this discrimination against the elderly.
Let me ask you, if Obama's goal is to cut Medicare costs by $500 billion over 10 years, how do YOU think he plans to do it? I mean besides the treatment denying the government is going to do on age-related things like hip surgery, knee surgery, cataract surgery, drugs for alzheimers, macular degeneration, hearing loss, scooters/wheelchairs, etc.
If I tell you he plans to pay doctors less for treating Medicare patients and you were a doctor, what would you do?
I'm betting the doctor wouldn't take on new Medicare patients so if seniors plan to move in retirement, forget about it and lots of luck finding a new doctor if your doctor retires or dies before you die. I'm thinking you might not even see an actual doctor. You'd probably see the doctor, less so, so much for that "preventative" bunk the administration is pushing.
"Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of the president's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, holds two key positions in the administration regarding health care. On multiple occasions he has advocated restriction of treatment for those who are "non-productive" or "disabled"; in other words, those who are impaired or elderly (translation: over 65)."
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You may have noticed Obama has changed his program from healthcare reform to health insurance reform. Why did he do that? And not for nothing but besides the cost of actual healthcare, how much do you think the government bureaucracy to oversee it is going to cost ALL taxpayers?
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Actually, if you are over 65, you have NO CHOICE - you must take Medicare as private insurers will not accept you. No group, no HMO, no private. The only choice is to self-insure and very few have the financial means to do that.
As someone else suggested, do some research before speaking of things you have no first-hand knowledge of.
Ohhh I see!! So maybe the "private sector" is not so hot after all! So what about people UNDER 65 that they do not wish to insure?? Maybe a "public option" is a good idea!
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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you got that right. the elderly are a greedy bunch that takes advantage of every freebie that they can get their hands on. even worse are the elderly immigrants who get FREE EVERYTHING.
Used to be the case but was fixed in the 90s. Now you have to work at least 10 years to get Medicare or SS- whether you are an immigrant or not. But those who came before then got it right off the boat (BTW most of them were white, many Russian, and had sponsors).
Ohhh I see!! So maybe the "private sector" is not so hot after all! So what about people UNDER 65 that they do not wish to insure?? Maybe a "public option" is a good idea!
Your gov't set it up this way.
(Probably in collusion with the ins industry but that's another topic)
Your gov't is also the one that OK's private plans and rate increases for the insurance companies.
I'm sorry, but I've had it up to here with these silly socialist debates. Those of you on Medicare have not paid your fair share.
The plan started to tax people in 1966 and it only taxed you at a rate of 0.35% to start. It is now up to an actual 1.45% of your taxable income.
I started paying into the plan in the 1990, so you can understand why I'm extremely pissed. YOU HAVE NEVER PAID YOUR FAIR SHARE AND YOU NEVER WILL. HOWEVER, because I've been taxed for it since i was 16 I've been supporting your pill popping butts for far too long. I'm sick of all the socialism that exist in this country. SICK AND TIRED OF IT! (PARDON THE PUN) I DON"T SMOKE, I DON"T DRINK, AND I DON"T EAT FAST FOOD, SO WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT MADE POOR HEALTH DECISIONS IN THEIR YOUNGER YEARS???? Explain it to me!!!
I got my first job in 1960 - part time from then until 1965 when graduated from college and went to work full time. Paid into medicare from when it was instituted and at 66.5 I still pay in from my now parttime job. So I think I have paid "my dues". Your statement about "poor health decisions in their younger years" shows a basic lack of understanding of how life was in the 1950's and 1960's. Fast food was almost non existent -- I remember the first time I saw a Taco Bell in Florida while on vacation and I grew up in "the big city" - Atlanta. My mother cooked healthy meals including a minimum of 2 fresh vegetables (crookneck squash, green beans, crowder peas, home grown tomatoes, butter beans, etc) from the local farmer's market. We also drank milk at every meal (even when we returned home from college). I never smoked, only occassionally drank alcohol, and even today probably average a Coke a week. I think I have fairly well disputed your claims since I think my experience was pretty much the norm for that period and those older ones on Medicare fit it even more so.
I got my first job in 1960 - part time from then until 1965 when graduated from college and went to work full time. Paid into medicare from when it was instituted and at 66.5 I still pay in from my now parttime job. So I think I have paid "my dues". Your statement about "poor health decisions in their younger years" shows a basic lack of understanding of how life was in the 1950's and 1960's. Fast food was almost non existent -- I remember the first time I saw a Taco Bell in Florida while on vacation and I grew up in "the big city" - Atlanta. My mother cooked healthy meals including a minimum of 2 fresh vegetables (crookneck squash, green beans, crowder peas, home grown tomatoes, butter beans, etc) from the local farmer's market. We also drank milk at every meal (even when we returned home from college). I never smoked, only occassionally drank alcohol, and even today probably average a Coke a week. I think I have fairly well disputed your claims since I think my experience was pretty much the norm for that period and those older ones on Medicare fit it even more so.
Your post is spot on. I might add that in the sixties, the perils of cigarette smoking were covered up by the tobacco companies. The healthcare costs are going to be enormous in the future because of the obesity rates of younger people who guzzle soft drinks and fast food. Most families in the 50's and 60's owned one car, if any, forcing people to walk daily.
Original poster complaining about seniors not paying their fair share for medicare. Each year of the 40 years you work, 1.45% of income [part of fica] pays for Hospital part A. If you want to see doctors in your remaining years, you have to pay for it. That's part B coverage. The current cost is $98 a month and removed automatically from SS benefits. But it only covers 80% You pay the 20% out of pocket. You can purchase an optional supplemental plan to cover the 20%. The average policy is $145 a month.
Now, if you want to talk about who is not paying their fair share, that would be medicaid recipients.
I'm sick of it! I'm sick of the stupidity from these loud mouth tards on the nightly news. If you're getting any sort of handout shut the hell up and go back under the government funded rock that you crawled.
THE GOVERNMENT AND FELLOW TAX PAYERS DON"T OWE YOU A DAM THING!
Actually - the Government DOES OWE payments on this programs. The Government is the one that established the program. The Government set up the tax rate. They established the repayment schedules. So, the Government is OBLIGATED to pay according to their PROMISES / Guarantees.
Inasmuch as you are seemingly so very unhappy with the "program", I'd like to suggest you contact your Congressional Representatives - in the House and Senate - and ask them to introduce legislation to REPEAL these programs that upset you so much. Now, you might have to refrain from your inflammatory language - and refrain from the screaming you do - but who knows - maybe you can get your wish.
I think when older people talk about rationing of healthcare it is because they have experienced difficulty finding a doctor who would accept Medicare. This is a form of rationing and when adding large numbers of people onto a new government plan logic says that it will become worse. I turned 65 about a year ago. When I called my gynecologist who I had seen for several years for a regular exam, I was told that she did not accept Medicare. Essentially I was "thrown out the door" with no referral when I asked if they knew a doctor who did accept Medicare. When I did find a new doctor, it was only after I had successfully convinced the receptionist that I really was very healthy and hadn't been to the hospital since I gave birth 40+ years ago.
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I DON"T SMOKE, I DON"T DRINK, AND I DON"T EAT FAST FOOD, SO WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT MADE POOR HEALTH DECISIONS IN THEIR YOUNGER YEARS???? Explain it to me!!!
