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Desperately? Filing a lawsuit based on a pathetic, obvious forgery is the act of people willfully turning off their critical faculties and staking their reputation on a very shaky basis. Very risky.
Doing it twice is, frankly, moving into desperate territory.
I don't see Obama actually doing anything. He's got bigger fish to fry. His lawyers are doing what any first-year law student would recommend: Giving their opponents what the law requires them to give, no more. Which so far has been nothing.
It was Berg and Taitz who moved this into the courtrooms, and that was really, really stupid of them.
Do I believe Obama is eligible to be POTUS - absolutely NO! He does not meet "natural born citizen" status. And if you plan on asking questions about his status - it is not my job to educate you.
If you want to actually debate the point, I think you've de facto taken on the task of building your case.
I think it's time for rational people to let this "controversy" go. As it's been said, this kind of argument is like arguing with the dining room table.
Most of us (I hope) don't spend a lot of time arguing with believers in chem-trails, Bigfoot, or Area 54 having preserved alien astronauts. You can't win, or lose, those arguments. But they don't hold a lot of personal interest or emotional involvement for the average person, whereas politics and Obama often do - and nutty claims such as the birthers' tend to get us to respond, argue back, try to prove something, because it's just so irrational we feel compelled to correct it.
I propose stopping. What is the harm if a few thousand, even a million people are "proving" on the Internet that Obama is Kenyan, or his BC is a fake, etc? Let them have their paranoid fantasy. It won't bring down the presidency, and whenever it rises to a public level, such as a Republican Congressman giving it credibility, it just harms them.
The White House isn't pushing back against all this nonsense - why are we? There are better things to do and discuss, better ways of spending time than trying vainly to convince someone who obviously lives in a different reality. So stop all the looking up citations, links, opening Obama's books to particular pages. Don't give oxygen to the flames. Just please stop and let it slide. Let them froth. Who cares?
I think it's time for rational people to let this "controversy" go. As it's been said, this kind of argument is like arguing with the dining room table.
Most of us (I hope) don't spend a lot of time arguing with believers in chem-trails, Bigfoot, or Area 54 having preserved alien astronauts. You can't win, or lose, those arguments. But they don't hold a lot of personal interest or emotional involvement for the average person, whereas politics and Obama often do - and nutty claims such as the birthers' tend to get us to respond, argue back, try to prove something, because it's just so irrational we feel compelled to correct it.
I propose stopping. What is the harm if a few thousand, even a million people are "proving" on the Internet that Obama is Kenyan, or his BC is a fake, etc? Let them have their paranoid fantasy. It won't bring down the presidency, and whenever it rises to a public level, such as a Republican Congressman giving it credibility, it just harms them.
The White House isn't pushing back against all this nonsense - why are we? There are better things to do and discuss, better ways of spending time than trying vainly to convince someone who obviously lives in a different reality. So stop all the looking up citations, links, opening Obama's books to particular pages. Don't give oxygen to the flames. Just please stop and let it slide. Let them froth. Who cares?
Like groar, I do have a problem with letting lies stand unopposed. The "birthers" seem to think that if they say something often enough, people will believe it, even though even they (the birthers) know it's a lie. The concern is that some formerly reasonable people will start believing this dreck. There are a lot of people on this forum, who seem reasonably intelligent, who believe it. There are also a lot of "haters" on this forum who believe it.
Obama's idiot press secretary, Robert Gibbs, doesn't even have a decent answer why Obama won't release his records when asked over and over by the press pool. Of course Robert Gibbs doesn't have an answer for anything he's asked about. He's just another Obama buffoon!
I think it's time for rational people to let this "controversy" go. As it's been said, this kind of argument is like arguing with the dining room table.
Most of us (I hope) don't spend a lot of time arguing with believers in chem-trails, Bigfoot, or Area 54 having preserved alien astronauts. You can't win, or lose, those arguments. But they don't hold a lot of personal interest or emotional involvement for the average person, whereas politics and Obama often do - and nutty claims such as the birthers' tend to get us to respond, argue back, try to prove something, because it's just so irrational we feel compelled to correct it.
I propose stopping. What is the harm if a few thousand, even a million people are "proving" on the Internet that Obama is Kenyan, or his BC is a fake, etc? Let them have their paranoid fantasy. It won't bring down the presidency, and whenever it rises to a public level, such as a Republican Congressman giving it credibility, it just harms them.
The White House isn't pushing back against all this nonsense - why are we? There are better things to do and discuss, better ways of spending time than trying vainly to convince someone who obviously lives in a different reality. So stop all the looking up citations, links, opening Obama's books to particular pages. Don't give oxygen to the flames. Just please stop and let it slide. Let them froth. Who cares?
You know what? You're right. I hearby swear off ever replying to this nonsense again. So there are a few nuts who believe the moon is made of green cheese....big deal. Let them twirl around and around in their little paranoid world. Even serious Republicans think they're nuts. I will quit trying to bring light into their dark little world.
You know what? You're right. I hearby swear off ever replying to this nonsense again. So there are a few nuts who believe the moon is made of green cheese....big deal. Let them twirl around and around in their little paranoid world. Even serious Republicans think they're nuts. I will quit trying to bring light into their dark little world.
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