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True, but I think the extent you project these feelings of fear, hatred.etc on men as a whole can be partly controlled. Direct those feelings of anger at the individual if need be, and separate, nay disentangle, hatred for the archetypal 'man' from hatred of a specific man. I know I've not experienced it, so this is all conjecture. All I'm saying, while it's good to understand and sympathise (as women are probably better at doing) the flip side of that is, that can merely feed a victim mentality and sense of resentment which will cause misery for yourself but also others.
Well, trauma is very difficult to deal with. It involves Post Traumatic Stress, so there's a knee-jerk reaction against men, like the Vietnam Vets who'd freak out at the sight of an Asian. But there are effective treatments for it. More people should get therapy. But these are extreme cases.
But don't you think that looking for women who aren't in favor of equality is a lot like looking for people of color who...aren't for equality? "Feminist" to me just means women want equal treatment, and things like pregnancy leave without the risk of losing their job. Nowadays, there's "parental leave", so either mom or dad can take time off work to be with a sick child or with a baby. That's a good thing. Progress is being made. This isn't that big a deal, is it?
I'm just calling it as I see it. It's probably simplistic of me to make conclusions, but it's a trend I'm seeing. I'm not saying all self-described feminists are that way, just most of the ones I've personally met.
I think you may have missed a lot. Look at the OP's name and yet in the above post by you, you say it's YOUR sample size and information. So, did you forget to change user names or did the program figure it out?
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Well, trauma is very difficult to deal with. It involves Post Traumatic Stress, so there's a knee-jerk reaction against men, like the Vietnam Vets who'd freak out at the sight of an Asian. But there are effective treatments for it. More people should get therapy. But these are extreme cases.
But don't you think that looking for women who aren't in favor of equality is a lot like looking for people of color who...aren't for equality? "Feminist" to me just means women want equal treatment, and things like pregnancy leave without the risk of losing their job. Nowadays, there's "parental leave", so either mom or dad can take time off work to be with a sick child or with a baby. That's a good thing. Progress is being made. This isn't that big a deal, is it?
No, and I'd say on the whole it definitely WAS a good thing. The last thing I'd want is to go back to the 1950s when women were expected to stay in the kitchen.etc.
It's just there's a group that seems is never happy. When you question their dogma about unequal pay, for instance, they get all riled up, or simply ignore you. Some of them, at least. Some do meet with you squarely (not that I even spend much time at all discussing things like this) and fairly.
Hey, I'm not the enemy, but that's how some see it. I want equality for ALL.
that if you don't believe that someone should have the choice to do wrong, you're wrong?
No. You're right for you and your pov. I'm right for me and my pov. It doesn't mean that my pov is going to be correct for you.
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I obviously respect that under the law you have that choice, and am not going to bomb clinics or blockade you from entering an abortion clinic, but regardless it seems most pro-choicers don't examine WHY some people hold these views. Instead they blindly bleat on about how pro-lifers are curtailing their rights.
I have no idea what pro-choicers think en masse. We all have our opinions and pov's. It doesn't really matter what you or I think when it comes to another person's liberty and freedom.
It's probably simplistic of me to make conclusions, but it's a trend I'm seeing. I'm not saying all self-described feminists are that way, just most of the ones I've personally met.
The thing is, the way you're narrowly defining "feminist", you're only seeing the ones that fit your stereotype. You're not seeing all the ones that fall way outside your narrow definition.
You can deny it all day long, but the evidence is irrefutable, and I am truly sorry for you.
What do you do that makes you so clairvoyant, way up so high above us all, that qualify you as a psychoanalyst in cyberspace? Maybe you can come down from your mountain and provide us some stone tablets, 2012 version.
What, no oxygen up there? No response to my Quad story?
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I think you may have missed a lot. Look at the OP's name and yet in the above post by you, you say it's YOUR sample size and information. So, did you forget to change user names or did the program figure it out?
No, and I'd say on the whole it definitely WAS a good thing. The last thing I'd want is to go back to the 1950s when women were expected to stay in the kitchen.etc.
It's just there's a group that seems is never happy. When you question their dogma about unequal pay, for instance, they get all riled up, or simply ignore you. Some of them, at least. Some do meet with you squarely (not that I even spend much time at all discussing things like this) and fairly.
Hey, I'm not the enemy, but that's how some see it. I want equality for ALL.
This can't possibly be robertpolyglot, can it? Naaah...
It's not me, Dr. Ruth, but if you read his posts across a wide spectrum of topics, you will see that Trimac is easily one of the most observant, broad-minded and creative people on CDF.
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The thing is, the way you're narrowly defining "feminist", you're only seeing the ones that fit your stereotype. You're not seeing all the ones that fall way outside your narrow definition.
I guess the fact that, surprise surprise, most of the ones I've talking about do or have taken 'women studies' and are always really into women's issues, which is great, but no academic literature is 100% unbiased, not even physics thesis, let alone a sociological discourse on the positioning of women as victims in contemporary society.
I'm not saying all those who take women's studies are dyed in the wool man-haters, or even the ones I've referring to are. I just reflect a blind zealousness about them.
But yes, if we're talking feminism as a whole - I have no problem with it.
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