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Okay, now what does that have to do with what I said? I said the use of porn was determined to be 100%. Therefore the use of porn is definitively normal. I didn't say that ED occurs in 100% of them. But it is stated that the rate of addiction is much higher than with other forms of addiction.
And your take that addiction is a choice comes right out of 1952. You are condemning 12 year old boys and up. A person may not realize that they are addicted; especially people so young.
If you watch the video - what is water? That is the key statement [question] in this respect. They have no proper frame of reference.
I was merely citing the study from the lecture linked. If you have a problem with the facts, then I suggest joining Fox News.
It is common for men to become addicted. It could easily be argued for the people prone to addiction, addiction is normal, but that doesn't make it healthy.
She was offended by all use of porn. God forbid that she might recognize that men do this. I had forgotten how far behind in the dust she is now, in her own little imaginary world.
Not necessarily. Their sample may not be representative of all men, and their definition of porn may have been overly broad.
A study was done to quantify the effects of internet porn on young men. It wasn't possible to find a control group because 100% of the men surveyed use internet porn - no one isn't using it!
When I told the ex that this is leading to a form of erectile dysfunction in young men due to desensitization, her response was one of utter disgust and she said that it serves them right... and they should go blind too. This wasn't a joke. It was genuinely hostile.
Is it any wonder I divorced the *****? While the bonanza of internet novelty is a problem, this is clearly a completely normal drive in men. Yet her response is to despise men for who and what we are.
The ex is a lost cause. But I wonder, are women finally outgrowing this naïve view of men - that our basic impulses are disgusting? It is my perception that younger women are generally more accepting of pornography. More and more women admit to using porn themselves. But I don't know if there have always been women who are comfortable with sexuality and would have always been okay with porn, or if the views of women are indeed generally changing across the board.
The fact is that before the internet was Playboy and Penthouse, and before that were adult books, and before that was the bra and panty section of the JC Penny's catalogue. The only thing that has really changed is the degree of access, and the range of novelty available.
Agree with everything you just said!
I myself remember very distinctly using the massive JC Penney catalog.
I myself remember very distinctly using the massive JC Penney catalog.
Whats crazy is, I remember sneaking off with that magazine, thinking I had discovered a treasure trove of naked women that no one else had been smart enough to find out about...I remember as a kid I was like "Oh wow, I cant believe JC Penny and Speigel are making these pictures available to my pure innocent little virgin eyes!...feels like Christmas with every issue (You know they had a new lineup of drawers for every seasonal catalogue)..." and as I wasnt yet old enough to purchase any legit smut at the time, I just remember thinking "holy bra-straps batman, what a secret gold mine!" -- now I grow up and find out much to my dismay that everyone else was creeping away with their mom's magazines and had the exact same idea...smh
I remember, I had gotten exceptionally pervy with it at one point...because if you tilted the page just right, and caught the light just so, you could kind of make out a little beaver scruff beneath those skivvies....and those were the special little moments when time froze for a precious few seconds, and an extra snowflake fell to make life worth living at the tender age of 9 years old.
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A study was done to quantify the effects of internet porn on young men. It wasn't possible to find a control group because 100% of the men surveyed use internet porn - no one isn't using it!
When I told the ex that this is leading to a form of erectile dysfunction in young men due to desensitization, her response was one of utter disgust and she said that it serves them right... and they should go blind too. This wasn't a joke. It was genuinely hostile.
Is it any wonder I divorced the *****? While the bonanza of internet novelty is a problem, this is clearly a completely normal drive in men. Yet her response is to despise men for who and what we are.
The ex is a lost cause. But I wonder, are women finally outgrowing this naïve view of men - that our basic impulses are disgusting? It is my perception that younger women are generally more accepting of pornography. More and more women admit to using porn themselves. But I don't know if there have always been women who are comfortable with sexuality and would have always been okay with porn, or if the views of women are indeed generally changing across the board.
The fact is that before the internet was Playboy and Penthouse, and before that were adult books, and before that was the bra and panty section of the JC Penny's catalogue. The only thing that has really changed is the degree of access, and the range of novelty available.
whatever, sex is just sex. the more you keep it under wraps - guard it and build a fortress around it - the worse your problem will get.
I believe in openness. Sex is natural and beautiful. Some choose to have it with those they love, some choose to have casual sex, some choose to stay virgins until marriage (such as myself).
It's all good.
Keep your options out there and let people decide what path to choose.
Sex becomes perverted when people try to stuff it down as impure or un-wholesome.
Kids can also grow up with a healthy knowledge of sex, making informed decisions. If it weren't treated as so "taboo". If open communication were present and if parents did a better job of the kind of environment they provide for their children to be able to talk freely and ask important questions when they reach a particular age.
Wouldn't this just make them sexually independent men who don't need a woman for anything?
That would be fine, if they didn't seek out live women, and then expect them to be like the women in the porn vids. Having sex with a live woman isn't a porn video re-enactment. It's usually a bonding experience that involves messy and inconvenient things like people's feelings and preferences.
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I can't stand pornography, and I can't understand the need for it if you're in a healthy relationship with someone you love.
Who is saying anything about "need"? You make it sound like they are somehow mutually exclusive and if you have/use one you should ditch the other?
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Only exception being maybe when guys watch pornography together, which, is just a whole other kind of wrong!
No. It is not. Maybe for YOU it is - and thats fine because no one is asking you to. However is OTHER people engage in it there is nothing wrong with that _at all_.
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I think if you watch a lot of it - like every day - you might get desensitised. Tbh, that happens to me a bit, even though I don't watch much porn (honest! haha). Some women are totally against it but increasingly they are just accepting that's part of life.
I do not think so. Or at least I have seen no reason to think so. "desensitised" to what exactly? Or how? What do we even mean by that?
I eat and drink every day - I do not become "desensitised" to hunger or thirst. Quite the opposite as the more one eats and drinks the more the body wants.
So what gives people the idea that increasing the number of ejaculations one has will "desensitised" them to wanting or having more? I am starting to fear "desensitised" is just a buzz word people throw about on this topic without actually meaning anything by it.
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