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Old 06-01-2016, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Yeah, that's what many ancient cultures believed. The gods are angry, so we must satisfy them with human sacrifice.
The difference here is that Jesus is God's son, equal in all ways to the Father, creator of all things and over all things. He was not just some fallible human. He was God in flesh. No one has to sacrifice himself; God did that for us. He took our punishment upon Himself. That's different from your scenario.
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Old 06-01-2016, 07:08 AM
 
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The difference here is that Jesus is God's son, equal in all ways to the Father, creator of all things and over all things. He was not just some fallible human. He was God in flesh. No one has to sacrifice himself; God did that for us. He took our punishment upon Himself. That's different from your scenario.
Oh ok, my mistake. The human sacrifice in Christianity is just more "totally awesome" than regular human sacrifice.

It's nothing like what the ancient Aztecs believed. Not at all. That'd just be a silly comparison.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice

"Death is scary! It must be a supernatural punishment from the gods/God! Maybe a human sacrifice can appease God's wrath and allow us to avoid death!" That's Conservative Christianity in a nutshell.

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Old 06-01-2016, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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You have no actual, verifiable proof the four accounts were written 50-100 years later.



Actually they were alive when the four accounts were written.

Luke 1:1-3 Since, in fact, even many take in hand to compose a narrative concerning the matters of which we are fully assured among ourselves, (2) according as those who, from the beginning coming to be eyewitnesses and deputies of the word, (3) give them over to us, it seems good to me also, having fully followed all accurately from the very first, to write to you consecutively, most mighty Theophilus,
Oh good grief Edgar !!!

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Because God is holy and that holiness must be satisfied. That is why physical death and the shedding of blood was required.
That's the same sort of superstitious ignorance that caused people to throw their own children into volcanoes.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Oh good grief Edgar !!!

That's the same sort of superstitious ignorance that caused people to throw their own children into volcanoes.
Except God did it for us. I'm surprised you and Freak can't see the difference.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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As soon as an entity has a need, it is not independent and self-sufficient and therefore is not unbounded, all powerful and all knowing.

The Judeo-Christian narrative that god fawned over humanity as the pinnacle of his creative endeavors and then loves humanity, longs for it, is offended or hurt by it, etc., is a logical disconnect that unwittingly reveals the true nature of all god concepts I've ever seen. Gods are just humans with super-powers. Or special humans (e.g., kings) with super-powers. They are what humans fantasize or wish that they were.

So for all these thousands of years we have been trying to please / avoid displeasing our own ids.
Exactly my point. It calls into question the supposed omnipotence and omniscience of their God.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Exactly my point. It calls into question the supposed omnipotence and omniscience of their God.
Of course, God's "neediness" is something you just made up. No one said God is needy.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:47 AM
 
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Except God did it for us. I'm surprised you and Freak can't see the difference.
The difference is trivial. The fact is, you believe that some kind of human/god sacrifice is needed to appease God's wrath. It's superstitious nonsense, on par with people throwing their children into volcanoes to appease local deities.

If you're saying that God needed to sacrifice himself to appease his own wrath, well, that's even creepier and even more bizarre.
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Old 06-01-2016, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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The difference is trivial. The fact is, you believe that some kind of human/god sacrifice is needed to appease God's wrath. It's superstitious nonsense, on par with people throwing their children into volcanoes to appease local deities.

If you're saying that God needed to sacrifice himself to appease his own wrath, well, that's even creepier and even more bizarre.
Exactly.

Like cutting off his nose to spite his face.

For the life of me, I can't understand why people still believe such inanity.
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Old 06-01-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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I can't understand why people still believe such inanity.
"Give me a child until he is seven, and I will give you the man." -- Francis Xavier
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Old 06-01-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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The difference is trivial. The fact is, you believe that some kind of human/god sacrifice is needed to appease God's wrath. It's superstitious nonsense, on par with people throwing their children into volcanoes to appease local deities.

If you're saying that God needed to sacrifice himself to appease his own wrath, well, that's even creepier and even more bizarre.
It's not trivial. God is only asking you to believe. You don't have to anything else. He took the punishment for you. That's quite different than asking you to give up your own life or that of a loved one.
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