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Old 05-31-2016, 07:25 PM
 
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You're close. God sent His son to shed His own blood to pay for sin, by which mankind can be redeemed. Payment for sin satifies God's holiness and exhibits His grace and mercy.
Doesn't sound close, sounds spot on to me. Odd that he couldn't figure out another way like, oh I don't know, just forgive them if asked.
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Old 05-31-2016, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Doesn't sound close, sounds spot on to me. Odd that he couldn't figure out another way like, oh I don't know, just forgive them if asked.
Because God is holy and that holiness must be satisfied. That is why physical death and the shedding of blood was required.
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Old 05-31-2016, 07:34 PM
 
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Because God is holy and that holiness must be satisfied. That is why physical death and the shedding of blood was required.
So God has a need?
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Old 05-31-2016, 07:44 PM
 
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So God has a need?
The man Job thought God has a need at Job 14:14-15 a need to resurrect mankind in that God will call the dead Job and Job would answer because God longs or yearns for the work of His hands.

The need for a resurrection is why Jesus became a ransom for mankind - Matthew 20:28
The majority of mankind will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection starting with Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth when there will be healing for Earth's nations
- Revelation 22:2
That is why we are invited to pray the invitation for Jesus to come ! - Revelation 22:20 B
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Old 05-31-2016, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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So God has a need?
jimmie's godling has very human needs. If that human is a psychotic, mass-murdering narcissist.
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:26 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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The man Job thought God has a need at Job 14:14-15 a need to resurrect mankind in that God will call the dead Job and Job would answer because God longs or yearns for the work of His hands.

The need for a resurrection is why Jesus became a ransom for mankind - Matthew 20:28
The majority of mankind will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection starting with Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth when there will be healing for Earth's nations
- Revelation 22:2
That is why we are invited to pray the invitation for Jesus to come ! - Revelation 22:20 B
So you pray (how often, hourly, daily weekly, monthly?) that the world be destroyed and Jesus sets up some kingdom (presumably in Israel?) and the vast majority of life here on earth is annihilated?

Would it not be more productive to "pray" that God use you to CHANGE this world? Perhaps that is how the kingdom is ushered in? Through the WORKS of God's people?
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:39 AM
 
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You're close. God sent His son to shed His own blood to pay for sin, by which mankind can be redeemed. Payment for sin satifies God's holiness and exhibits His grace and mercy.
It's awesome to be bathed in the glorious blood of jesus-god, isn't it jimmiej?
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:42 AM
 
Location: US
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Because God is holy and that holiness must be satisfied. That is why physical death and the shedding of blood was required.
Great...So G-d sacrificed His human son...
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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So God has a need?
As soon as an entity has a need, it is not independent and self-sufficient and therefore is not unbounded, all powerful and all knowing.

The Judeo-Christian narrative that god fawned over humanity as the pinnacle of his creative endeavors and then loves humanity, longs for it, is offended or hurt by it, etc., is a logical disconnect that unwittingly reveals the true nature of all god concepts I've ever seen. Gods are just humans with super-powers. Or special humans (e.g., kings) with super-powers. They are what humans fantasize or wish that they were.

So for all these thousands of years we have been trying to please / avoid displeasing our own ids.
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Old 06-01-2016, 06:33 AM
 
Location: USA
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Because God is holy and that holiness must be satisfied. That is why physical death and the shedding of blood was required.
Yeah, that's what many ancient cultures believed. The gods are angry, so we must satisfy them with human sacrifice.
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