What do you believe is the purpose of Christianity? (Muslims, legislation, American)
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You're demonstrating my point quite nicely: nothing has been learned from the past; your brand of christianity still feels entitled to unaplogetically take whatever it wants.
Our nation was founded as a safe haven for Christians. We have a political right to live as we want. But nowhere do we believe that we have a right to march into any other nation and demand special treatment.
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(And yes, I am quite familiar with the beliefs of the founding fathers. My father was a history professor, with a strong interest in early American history. I've read their writing quite extensively, particularly Jefferson, Paine, and Franklin)
Now you're talking something else. Yes--I realize that those calling themselves Christian have historically done some very bad things. Our ancestors have trampled on the rights of others. But you do realize that 9 of the original 13 states had official state religions, right? You do realize our founding fathers were pretty religious, right? Oh, sure---there were some that weren't. But they wanted to preserve the right of the people to worship as we please. That includes Christianity. They also wanted to preserve the rights of the states to legislate as they wanted regarding religion -- without interference from the federal government. That's why it says that "Congress shall make no law". It says NOTHING about states doing it.
So, your statement about "strongarming our way into schools"? Yah, that's what the founding fathers actually allowed for. Just read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
It sounds like you are trying to make the case that theocracy is constitutional, as long as it's practiced at the state level.
It sounds like you are trying to make the case that theocracy is constitutional, as long as it's practiced at the state level.
Is that what you are saying?
I believe the states have the right to legislate accordingly. The Constitution limits the Federal government, not the state. If Nebraska gets too messed up that I don't like it here, I can move to Iowa, or Kansas, or elsewhere.
Our nation was founded as a safe haven for Christians. We have a political right to live as we want. But nowhere do we believe that we have a right to march into any other nation and demand special treatment.
No, it was founded as safe haven for personal andreligious beliefs, not exclusively for christianty.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Good. You should realize that already, then.
Realize what? That their beliefs were deist, not conventionally christian? Absolutely.
The most common belief at the time was Christianity, after all.
Many were deist. Many were Christian. But they did believe in freedom to worship as they pleased, with no interference from the federal government.
Right, a secular nation where everyone is free to believe worship as they please, not just christians. No where is the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or any other writing from that time exclusively directed at christianity.
Right, a secular nation where everyone is free to believe worship as they please, not just christians. No where is the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or any other writing from that time exclusively directed at christianity.
Agreed. We have the right to worship as we please. I'm not denying that. But the Constitution says nothing about a state allowing for free exercise of a religion.
This. The Jews who helped settle Colonial America would probably be quite surprised by Viz's re-write of American history.
Seriously, it's like claiming Columbus and Ovando were missionaries
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