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Baptism of the dead, secret handshakes, secret oaths, secret rites, special holy "underwear" that they must wear most of the time, Jesus appearing in America, lost civilizations in America with no trace, buried golden plates that crazy man Joseph Smith supposedly translated, weird cosmic beliefs (populating planets with spirit children, the Planet Kolab) and tons of other weird shyt. Keeping things secret is the biggest key of all.
Founder Joseph Smith got killed by his own people. Nice.
There is a wealth of information and exposes on the internet from former members.
And of course everything you read on the internet is true, huh? And I suspect that's where you came up with most of your information about Mormonism. So where do you get your information on other topics of interest -- from the National Enquirer? You clearly must not consider me a legitimate source of information on Mormonism, even though I've given neither you nor anyone else any reason to doubt either my knowledge or honestly. You want to ask me some questions? Go ahead. Unfortunately, I must warn you that the truth isn't quite as scandalous as the lies.
And of course everything you read on the internet is true, huh? And I suspect that's where you came up with most of your information about Mormonism. So where do you get your information on other topics of interest -- from the National Enquirer? You clearly must not consider me a legitimate source of information on Mormonism, even though I've given neither you nor anyone else any reason to doubt either my knowledge or honestly. You want to ask me some questions? Go ahead. Unfortunately, I must warn you that the truth isn't quite as scandalous as the lies.
Okay, then, what wasn't true in my post above? And no, I learned all of this pre-Internet. None of these matters are new.
Okay, then, what wasn't true in my post above? And no, I learned all of this pre-Internet. None of these matters are new.
You're right, they're definitely not new; they're all points that have been addressed for nearly a century by Mormon scholars and ignored for just that long by people who keep posting them as if they're breaking news. But, as to what's not true, a few things... For starters, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Jospeh Smith was "crazy." You don't have to believe what he taught, but that's no reason to slap a label of "crazy" on him.
Next, your comment about "weird cosmic beliefs (populating planets with spirit children, the Planet Kolab (sic)" just shows your lack of knowledge about what Mormonism actually teaches. It's hard for me to know how much effort to put into an answer when the person I'm having the discussion with is just disrespectful and insulting. (It is, by the way, entirely possible, and even quite easy, to have a dialogue with someone you disagree with without resorting to being rude. You ought to try it sometime.) Latter-day Saints believe that all human beings had a premortal existence and lived in spirit form (i.e. without a physical body) in the presence of God prior to being born. We believe we are the spirit offspring of God and that He is the Father of our spirits (both of these beliefs being entirely biblical). I'm assuming that's what you're referring to by the reference to "populating planets with spirit children." There is no Planet Kolab. There's actually no Kolab, period. The correct spelling of the word is Kolob and it refers to a star mentioned in one of our sacred writings that is said to be nearest to where God lives (that place being Heaven). I don't know what the "tons of other weird shyt" might be, but I doubt very much it's any weirder than anything you might believe, just different.
And I believe it would come as a great surprise to both Mormon and non-Mormon historians that Joseph Smith "got killed by his own people." Wherever you dug that one up, it's completely false.
Katzpur, you have to admit, baptism of the dead is pretty esoteric and one can argue, intrusive and disrespectful to the dead person and their families. Especially disrespectful to victims of the Holocaust.
Katzpur, you have to admit, baptism of the dead is pretty esoteric and one can argue, intrusive and disrespectful to the dead person and their families. Especially disrespectful to victims of the Holocaust.
Esoteric, yes. One can argue a lot of things about other people's religious beliefs and practices, but the vast, vast majority of people who use the arguments you've mentioned don't really understand the purpose of the practice in the first place.
Esoteric, yes. One can argue a lot of things about other people's religious beliefs and practices, but the vast, vast majority of people who use the arguments you've mentioned don't really understand the purpose of the practice in the first place.
Have the dead consented to be baptized?
Don't give me a long answer. A yes or no will be fine.
Did Elvis Presley consent to it?
Adolph Hitler?
Gandhi?
Joan Of Arc?
Esoteric, yes. One can argue a lot of things about other people's religious beliefs and practices, but the vast, vast majority of people who use the arguments you've mentioned don't really understand the purpose of the practice in the first place.
So educate us why it is A-OK to have holocaust victims baptized? How is that not disrespectful to the victims and the families?
So educate us why it is A-OK to have holocaust victims baptized? How is that not disrespectful to the victims and the families?
If you will reread my post, I said nothing about it being A-OK to have Holocaust victims baptized. I have a personal policy of not just posting links in response to questions, because I think that most of the time, doing so is just an easy way out. I generally prefer to use my own words in answering people's questions. I'm going to make an exception here, because I think that this article will answer your question better than I can: Recent Mormon baptisms for Holocaust victims questioned. If, once you have read it, you still have questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them.
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And I suspect that's where you came up with most of your information about Mormonism. So where do you get your information on other topics of interest -- from the National Enquirer? You clearly must not consider me a legitimate source of information on Mormonism, even though I've given neither you nor anyone else any reason to doubt either my knowledge or honestly. You want to ask me some questions? Go ahead. Unfortunately, I must warn you that the truth isn't quite as scandalous as the lies.
