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Old 02-05-2019, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Here's a thought though:
Even with the best genealogist at your disposal, you cannot possibly know who all your ancestors were throughout history.
You will have hundreds of thousands of ancestors. If a Baptism, posthumous or otherwise is required to receive all the blessings of god, there are an awful lot of dead souls missing out through no fault of their own and despite all your best efforts.

I'm sure you have thought about all of this, but throwing it out there.
Yeah, I have thought about it, and have concluded that it's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over. Since I believe God to be just, I just have to assume that He's got it covered, even if I can't conceive of how, and that it will all work out in the end. Not a very satisfying answer, I know.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Fair enough.



Here's a thought though:
Even with the best genealogist at your disposal, you cannot possibly know who all your ancestors were throughout history.
You will have hundreds of thousands of ancestors. If a Baptism, posthumous or otherwise is required to receive all the blessings of god, there are an awful lot of dead person's souls missing out through no fault of their own and despite all your best efforts.

I'm sure you have thought about all of this, but throwing it out there.
On the plus side, the LDS Church was known for its extensive genealogical records since long before the Internet because of this practice, and now they've brought us Ancestry.com. One of my sisters is an addict.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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Yeah, I have thought about it, and have concluded that it's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over. Since I believe God to be just, I just have to assume that He's got it covered, even if I can't conceive of how, and that it will all work out in the end. Not a very satisfying answer, I know.



The obvious answer would seem to be that he has got everybody covered anyway, regardless of whether you perform the baptism or not, but I appreciate the time you put into this thread.

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Old 02-05-2019, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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If you had read Katzpur's explanation, as I understand it, they do not believe they are forcing anything on a persons soul.
According to Katzpur, if I read correctly:


The soul is free to reject the baptism.
It's wrong. It's immoral.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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It's wrong. It's immoral.

In your eyes. In Katspur's eyes they are doing something nice.

What's wrong or immoral is all relative depending on your perspective.
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Old 02-05-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Yeah, I have thought about it, and have concluded that it's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over. Since I believe God to be just, I just have to assume that He's got it covered, even if I can't conceive of how, and that it will all work out in the end. Not a very satisfying answer, I know.
With that being the case, there is no need for human proxies to do this.
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Old 02-05-2019, 03:13 PM
 
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Fair enough.



Here's a thought though:
Even with the best genealogist at your disposal, you cannot possibly know who all your ancestors were throughout history.
You will have hundreds of thousands of ancestors. If a Baptism, posthumous or otherwise is required to receive all the blessings of god, there are an awful lot of dead person's souls missing out through no fault of their own and despite all your best efforts.

I'm sure you have thought about all of this, but throwing it out there.
The Mormons are the best genealogists. Each individual does not need to do the work on their own. The church has done it and eternally keeps doing more and more. The Mormons . Genealogy and the Mormon Archives | PBS

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Original records -- about 2.4 million rolls of microfilm containing 2 billion names that have been traced -- are locked away behind 14-ton doors in the Granite Mountain Records Vault, a climate-controlled repository designed to survive a nuclear impact that is built into the Wasatch mountain range, about 20 miles southeast of Salt Lake City.
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Old 02-05-2019, 03:31 PM
 
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The Mormons are the best genealogists. Each individual does not need to do the work on their own. The church has done it and eternally keeps doing more and more. The Mormons . Genealogy and the Mormon Archives | PBS



I'm not disputing Mormon's skill at genealogy but nobody can trace their ancestors back 200,000 years.

With the best will in the world, it can be pretty tough work tracing your genealogy back even beyond the 1800's. I know because I have done it.

Even then, not every ancestor will be recorded as there were high infant morality rates until relatively recently. Not every birth and death would have been recorded.
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Old 02-05-2019, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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With that being the case, there is no need for human proxies to do this.
I stated what I assume to be the case. I don't believe God will withhold any blessings from any individual due to something that was beyond that person's control. On the other hand, since I believe He has given us the mandate to do this work, that's reason enough for me to support it.
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Old 02-05-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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I stated what I assume to be the case. I don't believe God will withhold any blessings from any individual due to something that was beyond that person's control. On the other hand, since I believe He has given us the mandate to do this work, that's reason enough for me to support it.
Where is the mandate to Baptize the dead?
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