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It's hard to make sense out of it right now because we have so little data. The popular press, in their ever present quest for clicks, substitutes speculation for actual reasoned discussion based on data. The press (maybe most people?) are uncomfortable with uncertainty.
Now regarding the 40x business. It is yet another example of faulty reporting. The 40X number comes from how certain viral neutralization assays are done. Essentially, they found that they needed a concentration of antibody 40 times higher to stop omicron than delta. Sounds alarming, doesn't it? But what they neglect to tell you is that you may have that 40 times more antibody floating in your blood already. (or maybe not? Don't know yet). Consider this analogy. You need to drive your car home. You need one gallon of gas to do so. Does it matter if you have 40 gallons or two gallons? No. It only matters that you have enough. Same with antibodies. As long as you have enough, you're OK. Do we have enough? No data yet, but I'll speculate (without irony, notwithstanding my press comments above) that some folks will be fine, some won't. This is why boosters will continue to be very important, maybe even a booster on top of a booster!
Yeah, I've found that, even more so right now, I see completely different headlines, on the same study....
And while some things, like the 40x, sounded horrible, until you read through,OR found another article that elaborated.
I'm listening to the Osterholm update right now, he is my go-to for explanation of the info.
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It might end up being a 4th shot for everyone from this recent news:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/omic...-expected.html
Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said Wednesday that people might need a fourth Covid-19 shot sooner than expected after preliminary research shows the new omicron variant can undermine protective antibodies generated by the vaccine the company developed with BioNTech.
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Bourla previously projected that a fourth shot would be needed 12 months after the third dose. "With omicron we need to wait and see because we have very little information. We may need it faster," he said.
It might end up being a 4th shot for everyone from this recent news:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/omic...-expected.html
Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said Wednesday that people might need a fourth Covid-19 shot sooner than expected after preliminary research shows the new omicron variant can undermine protective antibodies generated by the vaccine the company developed with BioNTech.
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Bourla previously projected that a fourth shot would be needed 12 months after the third dose. "With omicron we need to wait and see because we have very little information. We may need it faster," he said.
I take anything Pfizer says with a grain of salt. After all, this is the company that announced it's initial vaccine trial results at a private investor call last year! Bourla is clearly much more interested in earnings than in our health. The more frequent the boosters, the better for their bottom line.
I take anything Pfizer says with a grain of salt. After all, this is the company that announced it's initial vaccine trial results at a private investor call last year! Bourla is clearly much more interested in earnings than in our health. The more frequent the boosters, the better for their bottom line.
There are better sources than Bourla or Pfizer!
It was just "test tube" data for now. I'm more interested to see what happens in real life and I think that's going to take a few weeks. Agree also on Bourla--I try not to get my medical info from him and weight until the data Pfizer puts out is reviewed by various medical specialists worldwide. Also hearing that Omicron (so far) is pretty mild, so personally, I don't feel the need to vaccine up for it.
It was just "test tube" data for now. I'm more interested to see what happens in real life and I think that's going to take a few weeks. Agree also on Bourla--I try not to get my medical info from him and weight until the data Pfizer puts out is reviewed by various medical specialists worldwide. Also hearing that Omicron (so far) is pretty mild, so personally, I don't feel the need to vaccine up for it.
Just remember, the classification *mild* includes those in the hospitalized, just not requiring intubation and stuff.
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As of a few days ago, on the news, I think I heard *them* say that no Omicron patient had yet required hospitalization. But it's early days yet.
I do not think that is true any longer, but will need to go find a link to "why I think that."
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If the Omicron variant is so mild and it would be beneficial to have it take over and put all other strains and variants out of business, then I wonder why we don't all just get Omicron and be done with it.
I know I am wrong but I don't know why. Maybe because no one knows if another version could come a long and outdo Omicron. I DO know I am getting burned out by covid and I am becoming skeptical of Pfizer. The only "news" I hear from them is always that we need another shot. Anyway, what ever happened to Moderna? Their vaccine was stronger.
If the Omicron variant is so mild and it would be beneficial to have it take over and put all other strains and variants out of business, then I wonder why we don't all just get Omicron and be done with it.
I know I am wrong but I don't know why. Maybe because no one knows if another version could come a long and outdo Omicron. I DO know I am getting burned out by covid and I am becoming skeptical of Pfizer. The only "news" I hear from them is always that we need another shot. Anyway, what ever happened to Moderna? Their vaccine was stronger.
Love the thought-provoking comment! I don't know that you are wrong at all. I suppose it depends who you ask. There are probably more people who have had Omicron than we are aware of. Many with mild symptoms don't even bother testing anymore. They are burned out too! Pfizer seems to have sold more worldwide than Moderna, so I guess they are the loudest?
That's like saying go out and have a head-on car crash so you don't need to worry about having a head-on car crash anymore.
Or go out and get injured, mangling a limb or getting a punctured lung, so you need not worry about getting injured anymore.
Or have a survivable heart attack so you need not worry about your heart disease as much.
just because you're tired of worrying about life's stressors.....or Covid restrictions......
and plenty of people with complications of blood pressure controlled by medication or similar risks should have nothing to do with getting Covid, Delta, Omicron.....
ever hear of a booster shot? thank heavens shots became available so you're not lying on your stomach attached to a ventilator in a hospital bed living out a horror or suffering and unable to breathe.....
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