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Old 04-15-2013, 01:38 PM
 
Location: USA East Coast
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While it is common to have snow storms in April. Blizzards are not. Normally the last Blizzard of the year occurs in mid March.

This is not only a very late Blizzard it is also a very intense one.

The next big worry is if we turn around and have an unusually warm May and all the snow melts in just a few days. the result will be massive flooding especially in Fargo, Minot and Dickerson

I tell people down here down on the East Coast that when they complain about winter in NYC or Washington DC, when the say how long winter is (when it really never even gets going until late December and is over by mid March), when they complain about 20 F being "bitter" cold....I tell them they have no idea what a real winter is . When I see those - 50 F windchills in Fargo or Minot in Jan, snowstorms in April, frost in October...etc it never ceases to amaze me how tough you guys are up there.
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:48 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I tell people down here down on the East Coast that when they complain about winter in NYC or Washington DC, when the say how long winter is (when it really never even gets going until late December and is over by mid March), when they complain about 20 F being "bitter" cold....I tell them they have no idea what a real winter is . When I see those - 50 F windchills in Fargo or Minot in Jan, snowstorms in April, frost in October...etc it never ceases to amaze me how tough you guys are up there.
Just because it's not like North Dakota doesn't mean the Mid-Atlantic doesn't experience real winter weather. Sure, it's not as long or as intense as winters in the upper midwest, but it's still wintry for a portion of the year. It's like saying the Mid-Atlantic doesn't have a real summer because it isn't like Death Valley.
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Though the morning was below freezing, a sunny 10°C high today did a thorough cleaning job on the snow. Rivers are breaking up as well. Looks like the big thaw is on.

Here's a video (not mine) of river ice taking its leave:

Very nice video. Do you live near that river. The rivers in ND are quite small except for when they flood.

We got a break in the weather. It has temporarily stopped snowing I went outside and took a 7 minute video. The snow is expected to resume later today and continue on until tomorrow.



This is the worse April I have seen in ND. It may set back the Spring planting.

The three major crops planted here are corn, Soybeans and sunflowers. Typically they are planted beginning May 15. Other crops are planted earlier, but usually those are not major commercial farms and are small home farm crops.


The recommended Earliest spring planting dates for all crops in ND. these are the approved dates by the insurance companies. If you have a crop failure and can not prove your crops were planted within the date ranges, the insurance will not cover it. Most people plant the last 2 weeks in May to be certain they are within the covered dates.This is taken from the 2000 actual planting dates.

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NORTH DAKOTA
INITIAL PLANTING FINAL PLANTING REPORTING

Wheat Northern Counties 04/01/2000 06/05/2000 06/30/2000

Wheat Southern Counties 03/27/2000 05/31/2000 06/30/2000

Sugar Beets Eastern ND 04/11/2000 05/31/2000 06/30/2000

Sugar Beets Western ND 04/5/2000 05/20/2000 06/30/2000

Corn Grain south (Cass, Rch, Rnsm, Srgnt) 04/10/2000 05/25/2000 06/30/2000

Corn north (all other counties) 04/15/2000 05/20/2000 06/30/2000

Canola 04/16/2000 5/5 to 5/25 06/30/2000

Soybeans, southern 1/2 05/01/2000 06/10/2000 06/30/2000

Soybeans, northern 1/2 05/05/2000 06/10/2000 06/30/2000

Sunflowers, northern counties 05/06/2000 06/05/2000 06/30/2000

Sunflowers, southern counties 05/11/2000 06/10/2000 06/30/2000

DRY BEANS, southern counties 05/01/2000 06/10/20000 06/30/2000

DRY BEANS, northern counties 05/05/2000 06/10/20000 06/30/2000

Barley, Northern Counties06/05/2000 06/30/2000

Barley, Southern Counties05/31/2000 06/30/2000

Flax 06/10/2000 06/30/2000
SOURCE

Besides the weather a determining factor is the arrival of the migrant farm workers. which is usually in late May to early June.

Most of the Farm workers in North Dakota are migrant workers from the Midwestern Stream that is based in Texas. They are typically in North Dakota for the last of May and the first week of June that is when most of the commercial farms are planted.

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About America’s Farmworkers
Population Demographics

As noted in the historical prospective, the face of the farmworker population has changed over the years. Today's migrant population is a diverse one, and its composition varies from region to region. However, research estimates that a vast majority of farmworkers are minorities with 83% being Hispanic (including Mexican-Americans as well as Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and workers from Central and South America). The migrant population also includes Black/African Americans, Jamaicans, Haitians, Laotians, Thais, and other racial and ethnic minorities. Most farmworkers are male (79%) and just over half of both male and female workers report being married. Although the age distribution of the farmworker population is between 13 to late 60s, the average age for the group is 33 years. The predominant language spoken by farmworkers is Spanish (81%), followed by English (18%), and a small number (2%) speak other languages including Creole, Manteca, Zapoteca, Triqui, Maya, and Kanjobal among others. Although the educational level of the MSFW varies, the average is 7 years. Many have their permanent residences in home-base areas in the U.S./Mexico border regions of the southwestern United States. Their work sites and their lodging are usually located in isolated rural areas that are also medical service shortage areas.



Midwestern Stream

The second stream that farmworkers travel is the Midwestern Stream. Farmworkers in the stream are based out of Southern Texas and move northward going in several directions. They often travel to the Great Lakes Region, to the Rocky Mountain area or to the Northern Pacific, often looping back through the Texas Panhandle. Some of the crops that are harvested by farmworkers in the Midwest Stream include onions, citrus fruits, beans, cucumbers, and potatoes. The first migrants who traveled the Midwest Stream from the late 1800s to the 1920s were largely European immigrants. In recent years, farmworkers in the Midwest Stream are overwhelmingly Mexican-American, Mexican, and Guatemalan immigrants.
SOURCE



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Old 04-15-2013, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4vpSVu7Kxo

Written and sung by a Saskatchewanian...not sure where it was shot here but they sure have a heck of a lot less snow than we do.

I think I'll follow her lead though and MOVE TO SUNNY (and WARM) MEXICO!
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:35 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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First warm day (25°C/77°F+) of the year here. Up to 31°C/88°F in SW France.
Oceanic France beat us to 25°C! Even though it's at 49°!
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:38 AM
 
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Oceanic France beat us to 25°C! Even though it's at 49°!
It is amazing how slow spring comes up in your area/New England.

I just checked several NWS stations on the East Coast...every single NWS station from the NY/NJ/CT area southward has already cracked 80 F (26 C)…but Boston only hit 73 F, Worcester only 66 F, and Concord, NH a pathetic 63 F. It’s amazing that in the distance from Trenton, NJ (has hit 87 F already) to Worcester, MA, a distance of less than 250 miles, there is a 21 F difference.
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:46 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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It is amazing how slow spring comes up in your area/New England.

I just checked several NWS stations on the East Coast...every single NWS station from the NY/NJ/CT area southward has already cracked 80 F (26 C)…but Boston only hit 73 F, Worcester only 66 F, and Concord, NH a pathetic 63 F. It’s amazing that in the distance from Trenton, NJ (has hit 87 F already) to Worcester, MA, a distance of less than 250 miles, there is a 21 F difference.
Depends on the year, it was partially that weather setup. Here's the first 25°C in previous years; so yes, it's usually late April:

//www.city-data.com/forum/weath...l#post28992724

Not a single one in May.
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Old 04-16-2013, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Laurentia
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It is amazing how slow spring comes up in your area/New England.

I just checked several NWS stations on the East Coast...every single NWS station from the NY/NJ/CT area southward has already cracked 80 F (26 C)…but Boston only hit 73 F, Worcester only 66 F, and Concord, NH a pathetic 63 F. It’s amazing that in the distance from Trenton, NJ (has hit 87 F already) to Worcester, MA, a distance of less than 250 miles, there is a 21 F difference.
60's and 70's already? That just shows how warm most of the East Coast is. In Fargo the warmest temperature so far this year has been 43F (source). That figure is unusually cool, but if you want a slow Spring, Fargo is the place to look.
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Old 04-16-2013, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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60's and 70's already? That just shows how warm most of the East Coast is.
Here's 4 select stations on the East coast. While we've hit 60s and even 80 most of the days has struggled to get past 40s & 50s. I would call it seasonable with seasonably warm and cold at times.




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In Fargo the warmest temperature so far this year has been 43F (source). That figure is unusually cool, but if you want a slow Spring, Fargo is the place to look.
Funny you picked Fargo. Did you all know that the latest 50 degree temp in Fargo,ND was April 17,1881??
Forecast shows we will go well past that record.

F-M weathermen getting heat for cold stretch | INFORUM | Fargo, ND

• If Fargo doesn’t hit 50 degrees by April 17, it will tie the record set in 1881 for the latest first 50-degree day of spring, according to the National Weather Service. The second-latest 50-degree day was on April 16, 1979, and the third was on April 15, 1950 – both late spring flood years.


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Old 04-16-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Here's 4 select stations on the East coast. While we've hit 60s and even 80 most of the days has struggled to get past 40s & 50s. I would call it seasonable with seasonably warm and cold at times.






Funny you picked Fargo. Did you all know that the latest 50 degree temp in Fargo,ND was April 17,1881??
Forecast shows we will go well past that record.

F-M weathermen getting heat for cold stretch | INFORUM | Fargo, ND

• If Fargo doesn’t hit 50 degrees by April 17, it will tie the record set in 1881 for the latest first 50-degree day of spring, according to the National Weather Service. The second-latest 50-degree day was on April 16, 1979, and the third was on April 15, 1950 – both late spring flood years.

A few 50 highs will have little impact on melting the snow if most of the nights remain below freezing.

The biggest fear is we will have a few more snow days with below freezing nights until Mid May and than a sudden hot spell with even the nights being in the 50s the flooding would be disastrous.




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