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Old 02-23-2014, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Yes, I saw your location, but you never provided any sources, while when I did my project on Quebec, I had to find sources from newspapers, magazines, and other media. So it boils down to you saying that journalists were wrong, but you aren't providing any evidence to the contrary, so what I'm supposed to just take your word on it?
Heck, even I can google "Office québécois de la langue française"...
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Heck, even I can google "Office québécois de la langue française"...
Yeah I just did that, and from reading the Wikipedia it says they police people using English and make sure everyone uses French, nothing contrary to what I've been saying.
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:39 PM
 
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Yeah I just did that, and from reading the Wikipedia it says they police people using English and make sure everyone uses French, nothing contrary to what I've been saying.
It explicitly mentions that they are not police. What's next? Should we question your academic credentials? You clearly should have failed that class...
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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It explicitly mentions that they are not police. What's next? Should we question your academic credentials? You clearly should have failed that class...
"Legally, the organization has no police power, although they may impose fines or, in extraordinary situations, shut down businesses." So it's hyperbole to call them police, but even with the citation needed, the power to fine and shut down businesses, is akin to policing people using English. It's not that hard to understand. I didn't keep my stuff still from my sophomore or junior year in college, but I found sources documenting how they worked.
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Yes and the Office acts upon complaint only. People may disagree with this but it is still far from a strict police like it is often portrayed.
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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"Legally, the organization has no police power, although they may impose fines or, in extraordinary situations, shut down businesses." So it's hyperbole to call them police, but even with the citation needed, the power to fine and shut down businesses, is akin to policing people using English. It's not that hard to understand. I didn't keep my stuff still from my sophomore or junior year in college, but I found sources documenting how they worked.
It is not that hard to find out how they work. They are a public organization not a secret one. Their modus operandi and mandate is on their website.
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Yes, I saw your location, but you never provided any sources, while when I did my project on Quebec, I had to find sources from newspapers, magazines, and other media. So it boils down to you saying that journalists were wrong, but you aren't providing any evidence to the contrary, so what I'm supposed to just take your word on it? .
English language journalists in Canada are generally extremely biased when it comes to Quebec politics and the language issue in particular. (Assuming you did not consult articles in French!)


You might be the only person left in the USA who still believes reporters are impartial.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Given the large Hispanic population in the Bay area and the fact that the city has a Spanish name I think that SF should have public schools colleges and universities that teach all their subjects in Spanish.

Until it does I am just going to have to go wwith Montreal as more liberal because I have chosen openness to Spanish as the main criterion to base my assessment of SF's liberalism on.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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It is not that hard to find out how they work. They are a public organization not a secret one. Their modus operandi and mandate is on their website.
Yeah on the Wikipedia it says they have the power to fine and shut down businesses, it also says they coerce people into complying by saying it's in their financial interest to do so? Sounds like a shakedown to me.

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English language journalists in Canada are generally extremely biased when it comes to Quebec politics and the language issue in particular. (Assuming you did not consult articles in French!)


You might be the only person left in the USA who still believes reporters are impartial.
I think I had like Time Magazine, or US News, it was only a small part of the project, but I do remember about their being language laws, and a language office.

No of course I know that journalists have biases, and are subjective, but I'm also not one who just questions every single word a reporters writes or reports if there is no reason to be biased. What reason is there to be biased against what language Quebec uses? And if they were indeed biased, wouldn't we then see reports to the contrary? Like hey look Quebec office is not such a bad guy after all.

Anyway, look bro, all I said was that Montreal is less liberal than SF, in part due to my perception of the language law, that's it. I didn't intend to start some huge thing.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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And if they were indeed biased, wouldn't we then see reports to the contrary? Like hey look Quebec office is not such a bad guy after all.
I'm sure there are reports to the contrary - it's just they're more likely to say "eh attend" than "hey look".
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