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A surprisingly dry response - but if it wasn't said, implied or in any remote way suggested, we can leave it at that and call it a night!
I think what was said was that "gay-friendly stuff and openness" (widely defined) is the norm these days in any large city in the US and Canada. The implication being that there's nothing special in this sense about Montreal and gays (and thus SF too I suppose).
To which you responded: What about, say, Minneapolis then?
Given the broad stroke of the statement, I think your question was an entirely valid one.
I am not gay but I don't for a minute believe that all cities are basically the same in Canada-US when it comes to what they offer a gay person. Even some of the larger ones.
I don't know. Does anyone watch ABC, CBS, NBC? I thought that stuff was yesteryear popular back in the 1950s-1970s and started a slow death with cable TV in the 1980s and nearly non-existant in popularity or viewability in 2014.
Way back when I was actually living in the U.S., way back in the 1990s, cable tv pretty much had nudity everywhere, and it's quite commonplace on networks like HBO and on and on and on. As far as I know, there have been a ton of American tv series where even male nudity is quite commonplace like Oz, etc.
It was just *one* example, and not the killer argument that makes me right.
In any event, aren't most of the top 10 and top 20 shows in the US still on those four networks?
In any event, you can also occasionally see full frontal nudity on the 6 o'clock news here. If there is a report on a nude beach, you see nude people on a beach. If you see a report on breast exams, you see women getting their breasts examined. If you see a report on the arts segment that features a contemporary dance troupe that performs naked, you see them performing naked.
You don't see that in Canada outside Quebec or the States.
Montreal: Hands down more liberal economically, and mirrors a northern European country in this way.
More socially liberal when it comes to sex and drugs, and less religious. A relatively cheap city with a society that is the most collectivist in North America and much less focused on the pursuit of money than San Fransisco.
SF: May or may not be about as socially liberal as Montreal concerning homosexuality.
Note Tiger Beer: Nobody has claimed that "San Fransisco is NOT liberal" anywhere in this post. SF is about as liberal as Vancouver, a notch down from Montreal.
Quebec challenges the national (Canadian) and even continental anglo-hegemony that some people believe was written in the stars. With ill-intentioned people the fact that Quebec wants to exist in its own way in parallel to that reality provokes a lot of venom, and sometimes even with the most open-minded it provokes at least a bit of head-shaking or scratching.
In any event, you can also occasionally see full frontal nudity on the 6 o'clock news here. If there is a report on a nude beach, you see nude people on a beach. If you see a report on breast exams, you see women getting their breasts examined. If you see a report on the arts segment that features a contemporary dance troupe that performs naked, you see them performing naked.
You don't see that in Canada outside Quebec or the States.
I thought we resolved this " Quebec " only view about nudity on TV. It's not just in Quebec. I can't speak for the ROC but Vancouver, which is certainly outside of Quebec, shows nudity on TV and yes on the news.
In fact the Kokoro which performed nude on Wreck Beach was on the local news when they first started doing performances there in the nude.
So you studied Quebec in a California college to the point of becoming an expert on its language policies, but somehow you managed to avoid hearing about "manifest destiny"?
I thought we resolved this " Quebec " only view about nudity on TV. It's not just in Quebec. I can't speak for the ROC but Vancouver, which is certainly outside of Quebec, shows nudity on TV and yes on the news.
In fact the Kokoro which performed nude on Wreck Beach was on the local news when they first started doing performances there in the nude.
I don't think this was really "resolved" my dear.
I work fairly closely with the media (across the country) and I can tell you that English-language mainstream media in Canada does not show nudity. Not in daytime programming, not in the news, and not in prime time either.
As I said in the other thread when we discussed this, most of the evening lineup on CTV or Global or the other private networks is simulcast from American networks anyway. Hollywood doesn't make special "nudie plus" versions of Big Bang Theory just for Canada...
Honestly Zack, if you aren't aware of English's hegemony over Canada for a couple of centuries, you can't possibly be taken seriously in a discussion about Montreal. This subject is practically the base of Canada's existence as a country and political entity. It is like someone denying that French has dominated Belgium over Dutch, but on a much grander and more ignorant scale.
The French Canadians were the original Canadians who were conquered in the Seven Years War and became a British colony, similar to India or Nigeria, except the British came and settled en masse in Canada, outnumbering the original "Canadians" (Quebecois). In Nova Scotia, the entire French-speaking population was deported (becoming the Cajuns in Lousiana) and replaced with British colonists. Later on, their bid for independence was crushed by the British Empire. Outside of Quebec City and small French-speaking towns in Quebec, the Canadiens were forced to attend school in English and pressured to assimilate. If they wanted to advance socially, economically or politically, they needed to reject their language and culture and try to become English. These policies resulted in the disappearance of formerly French speaking areas across central and western Canada, the subordination of French Canadians to the defacto status of second-class citizens. The assimilation policies failed only in Quebec, where the Canadiens were too numerous to be assimilated. Montreal was the most important front line of this cultural battle. Now in an independent Canada, the Canadians, now called Quebecois have achieved democratic equality and want their nation (Quebec) to no longer be dominated by an English speaking minority, and the language laws are effectively achieving that.
If this was in Nigeria, India, Kenya, Guyana, or Malta, would you have such a negative view of those wishing to no longer be culturally dominated by their former colonial masters? Why is it so different for Quebec? This is a measure that any people on earth would take in the given situation, regardless of their political leanings in other matters. No people on earth would say "sure, let my language and culture be dominated or eradicated by another one".
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Lol, ok I'm done....hahaha
