Another nail in the coffin for Satan's lie .... universalism (purification, believer, Jesus Christ)

[trettep]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

So did I .......

So you have weightier evidence to show that 1 Tim 2:4 doesn't mean "will" and instead means "desire"?

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Jerwade

This is true, so what exactly is the "Kingdom of Heaven?"

Do not avoid the question, answer it, if you can?

Maybe you could start by re-reading post #108, you would find the sentence:

"How about start with the obvious ...... Heaven"

[trettep]

Someone here that doesn't believe in universalism take me to task on 1 Tim 2:4. PROVE to me that "will" is an inproper translation.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

And if you can't then understand that 1Ti 2:4 will stand in contradiction to what you believe.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by trettep

So you have weightier evidence to show that 1 Tim 2:4 doesn't mean "will" and instead means "desire"?

Yes ...

Matthew 25. Who's will is it being done when Jesus tells those on his left to go to hell.

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by trettep

So you have weightier evidence to show that 1 Tim 2:4 doesn't mean "will" and instead means "desire"?

Only if he puts it in the imperative, whereas, he has to do something.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by trettep

Someone here that doesn't believe in universalism take me to task on 1 Tim 2:4. PROVE to me that "will" is an inproper translation.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

And if you can't then understand that 1Ti 2:4 will stand in contradiction to what you believe.

.......save your pouting.
Jesus will when Matthew 25 becomes F a c t.

[trettep]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Yes ...

Matthew 25. Who's will is it being done when Jesus tells those on his left to go to hell.

That verse is not 1 Tim 2:4. I'm discussing 1 Tim 2:4 currently. If you can't prove that 1 Tim 2:4 doesn't say that God will have all men to be saved then you therefore must accept that God will save all. So far you have been unable to prove that 1 Tim 2:4 doesn't say that God will save all men.

[trettep]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

.......save your pouting.
Jesus will when Matthew 25 becomes F a c t.

Trying to have a mature discussion here Twin.spin.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by trettep

That verse is not 1 Tim 2:4. I'm discussing 1 Tim 2:4 currently. If you can't prove that 1 Tim 2:4 doesn't say that God will have all men to be saved then you therefore must accept that God will save all. So far you have been unable to prove that 1 Tim 2:4 doesn't say that God will save all men.

Boo hoo ...That's because it is you who has the problem. Jesus himself qualifies 1 Tim 2:4 that "all" isn't "all inclusive" in:

John 6:40
For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”




Satan's delusion is what you intend for it to mean...therefore you HAVE to ignore other scripture that refute what doesn't fit the propaganda.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by trettep

Trying to have a mature discussion here Twin.spin.

That would be refreshing .... when are you going to start?