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Like I said,
why is it UR's can never get beyond their personal attacks !!
Truly is a sad disposition having that need to speak such deep hatred toward another.
The only conclusion one can come to is that, that persons life must be awful miserable !!
Jesus can fix that you know.....
We hypocrites don't seem to know where the rubber meets the road right?
OK, then tell me, where do all the other people who worship false Gods and false religions spend their eternity after they die?
Not where you think, i would also take Mystic's advice and quit talking about where you think people are ending up, before this thread get's shut down, read the sticky at the top of the forum.
Stop thinking in terms of God destroying people, but destroying that which comes between the union of God and man. Grace means it's in God's hands not ours.
Grace is for believers in Christ. Non believers according to scripture will only experience the wrath of God. And that is why salvation in this life is so important.
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. Titus 2:11
The grace of God will continue to dawn on the hearts of all men until all are saved.
If the grace of God had never dawned upon your heart you wouldn't even be on this forum.
For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 2 Cor 4:6.
It was God who made what you and i have today, if you could even acknowledge this it would be start to us agreeing about the things of God.
How do you guys look into the same book and come up with completely opposite opinions?
I recall my mom telling me a story about some Jehovah's Witnesses coming to her door when I was a kid. She, knowing they do not believe in eternal torment either, asked them, "if there is no ultimate and eternal consequence for my wrongdoings, why accept what you have to say?" I think this is where the ET position stands. They believe that without that ultimate fear of ETERNAL and EVERLASTING damnation hanging over a person's head, there is no need to buy into their product. If suffering for my misdeeds (while living it up) might only bring me some temporary misery, maybe even death but ultimately I will be gracing the presence of Jesus forever some time in the future, why not just go all out and keep that level of assurance in the back of my head?
Again, I respect the Universalist view that one's commitment to their god should not driven by fear as that will eventually produce hypocrisy and sometimes, even pure evil, but I still believe the universalist worldview is reaction to the old traditional, fear based ugly view that paints the biblical god in a VERY bad light (despite scriptures that reflect some rather unflattering views).
How do you guys look into the same book and come up with completely opposite opinions?
I recall my mom telling me a story about some Jehovah's Witnesses coming to her door when I was a kid. She, knowing they do not believe in eternal torment either, asked them, "if there is no ultimate and eternal consequence for my wrongdoings, why accept what you have to say?" I think this is where the ET position stands. They believe that without that ultimate fear of ETERNAL and EVERLASTING damnation hanging over a person's head, there is no need to buy into their product. If suffering for my misdeeds (while living it up) might only bring me some temporary misery, maybe even death but ultimately I will be gracing the presence of Jesus forever some time in the future, why not just go all out and keep that level of assurance in the back of my head?
Again, I respect the Universalist view that one's commitment to their god should not driven by fear as that will eventually produce hypocrisy and sometimes, even pure evil, but I still believe the universalist worldview is reaction to the old traditional, fear based ugly view that paints the biblical god in a VERY bad light (despite scriptures that reflect some rather unflattering views).
Let us not hang our heads in shame, if we can be prideful?
How do you guys look into the same book and come up with completely opposite opinions?
Westernized imposition and presupposition into an ANE culture.
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