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39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[d]” 43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
1. The thief feared God, and he rebuked the other thief for not fearing God.
2. He acknowledged his own sinfulness and recognized his helplessness. He realized that his punishment was justly deserved, and stated publicly that Jesus was blameless.
3. By calling Jesus "Lord", he confessed his belief in Christ's divinity. He asked for Jesus' mercy, and expressed faith in Christ's eventual triumph and the establishment of His kingdom.
4. In the midst of his own despair, he recognized the fact that Jesus was exactly who He claimed to be. In the very final minutes of life, he recognized the Kingship of Jesus Christ and the salvation He offered.
5. The thief REPENTED. There can never be salvation without repentance! He recognized the fact that he was a sinner, and realized he was lost. He recognized his his inability to save himself. He knew he couldn't get down off that cross and turn over a new leaf. We don't know what was in the thief's heart, but we do know that he confessed his sin.
If you don't want to call these things works, that's okay by me, but you would be hard pressed to say that the thief didn't show his faith. And for that reason, I can say that the thief was not saved by faith alone. He was saved by an active faith. That is what faith is. It is not a simple mental assent of belief in Christ. The demons had that kind of faith. God's mercy is what saved the thief. It wasn't the things he did, but had he not done them, had he not shown his faith, he wouldn't have been saved. The faith that the thief had is the kind of faith that pleases God. We see it over and over again throughout the Bible.
It is not right or wrong...I put that out there to remember that we are not baptized into a church or assembly or a congregation but into the body of believers...the body of Jeshua....
I Corinthians 12:27 and following indicate that the church is Christ's body. And we are individual members of that body (church).
Ephesians 1:22 and 23 also indicate that.
I think you might mean that we are not baptized into church A and then when we move that we have to be baptized into church B. with this I agree. You are already a member of the body( church ).
How about just studying it in it's original languages and doing in depth studies of words that may have had a different meaning to the writer?...Metaphorical, analogical, parabolic....
You are not qualified to study it in its original language. Neither am I. Why can't you just accept what it written?
This is the difference between you and I.
You accept scriptures exactly as written as long as they agree with your doctrine. When they don't, you're off on a mission to prove they mean something they don't say.
I accept them all 100% as unerring! I beleive the scriptures say what they say and mean what they say. I have faith that they are the word of God.
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[d]” 43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
1. The thief feared God, and he rebuked the other thief for not fearing God.
2. He acknowledged his own sinfulness and recognized his helplessness. He realized that his punishment was justly deserved, and stated publicly that Jesus was blameless.
3. By calling Jesus "Lord", he confessed his belief in Christ's divinity. He asked for Jesus' mercy, and expressed faith in Christ's eventual triumph and the establishment of His kingdom.
4. In the midst of his own despair, he recognized the fact that Jesus was exactly who He claimed to be. In the very final minutes of life, he recognized the Kingship of Jesus Christ and the salvation He offered.
5. The thief REPENTED. There can never be salvation without repentance! He recognized the fact that he was a sinner, and realized he was lost. He recognized his his inability to save himself. He knew he couldn't get down off that cross and turn over a new leaf. We don't know what was in the thief's heart, but we do know that he confessed his sin.
Wow!...these are a lot of assumptions that you are making here...
Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Seems Jeshua is implying here that the idea of the thief's death under the old covenant is false...
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
I Corinthians 12:27 and following indicate that the church is Christ's body. And we are individual members of that body (church).
Ephesians 1:22 and 23 also indicate that.
I think you might mean that we are not baptized into church A and then when we move that we have to be baptized into church B. with this I agree. You are already a member of the body( church ).
You are not qualified to study it in its original language. Neither am I. Why can't you just accept what it written?
Not qualified?...How so?...
This is the difference between you and I.
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Originally Posted by katiemygirl
You accept scriptures exactly as written as long as they agree with your doctrine. When they don't, you're off on a mission to prove they mean something they don't say.
Katie...Are you looking into a mirror?...
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Originally Posted by katiemygirl
I accept them all 100% as unerring! I beleive the scriptures say what they say and mean what they say. I have faith that they are the word of God.
Yeah, most of the time I think you actually do, but sometimes you think they mean what you believe they ought to mean.
No Katz, that would be you. You are the one who wants to take scripture and apply your own meaning. Case in point, you believe that we have apostles today.
I also remember you trying to tell me that the priesthood was still in existence. I posted you over and over and proved to you that that wasn't possible, that the priesthood died on the cross with Jesus. I even sent you DM's, but you never answered me.
I don't believe you could name a single scripture that I don't take for exactly what it says.
Shall I post the priesthood scriptures again for the fifth time? Or will you disappear when I do? That seems to be what you do when you are cornered.
Katie
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