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Only the 144,000 will be in heaven, everyone else, that Jehovah sees fit, will be here on earth in paradise.
~144,000~
*Revelation 14:1,4 - And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
~Paradise ON Earth~
*Revelation 22:1-3 - And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.
* Revelation 7:9 - After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands.
One little problem .... Jesus proclaim himself to be Jehovah and Revelation 7:9 all the people who believed Jesus as Jehovah was worshipping him in Revelation 7:10 ... also in Revelation 5:12
Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!” ....
To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
Just like what happened when the Magi saw Jesus:
Matthew 2:11
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.
Just like what the disciples did when Jesus calmed the storm:
Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Just like the man did after Jesus healed him being born blind, then seeks from Jesus to be healed from his spiritual blindness saying:
John 9:38
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him
Just like what the disciples and the women did when Jesus suddenly appeared after raising himself physically from the dead:
Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.
Just like the disciples did after Jesus physically ascended back into heaven:
Luke 24:52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.
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A question: When you try to convert someone do you ever mention how awesome Jesus was? Or do you just tell them, "He's your fire escape in case you're worried about burning in hell." Do Jesus' good works on this earth get mentioned? Any talk of, "Join us! We believe we're here to follow in his footsteps and serve the poor and needy. It's a terrific journey through life when you follow Jesus." Or are you just telling them they'll burn in hell if they don't accept him as their savior?
I'm not persuaded that motivation for $$$$ or
Or
Or if you're a man
Is so much more virtuous than motivation out of fear for your immortal soul.
In fact... Jesus tells us the comforts and pleasures of this world are fleeting.
He also is known to call out members of the greatly materially impoverished to lecture to the stupendously wealthy like we in the United States, to convert our hearts from our material greeds and all consuming concerns.
The fact is in the wealthy United States there are many, many, miserable people that have materially more than the poor in Africa and Mexico that are much more happier than they are in the United States.
Material poverty is easier to fix or mend than emotional poverty. One can be materially poor but reared in a loving and God fearing and God loving home. Another can be reared in a middle-class American home with wrecked with violence and unquenchable rage. Mean people rearing mean people that know only cliques and political parties. A heroin addict in the United States is arguably in more need of the recuse of God than the person simply relatively poor in the United States with a used car, and girlfriend or boyfriend taking them to prom.
The heroin addict might need to be reminded of eternal heaven and eternal damnation. Their hell on earth is already horrendous. If they imagine eternity in a hell even far more horrendous than the hell they live in on earth as an active addict, they may have additional internal motivation to suffer through their withdrawals.
This man was already "poor" in his heart. Material poverty was not his problem. His emotionally impoverished parents certainly were a huge part of his problem. So, I don't see smiling to him and telling him "Come help us take care of the poor and needy and live and awesome life through Jesus" as something that was going to persuade him. He's the one that needed the "spiritual operation" in the metaphorical "ER" and not the poor yet very happy Mayan Indian in Mexico walking to church.
Is so much more virtuous than motivation out of fear for your immortal soul.
In fact... Jesus tells us the comforts and pleasures of this world are fleeting.
Of course he does. It's a brilliant tactic used to subdue the majority of peasants from rebelling against their miserable existence. Promise them riches in the afterlife, and they will keep their mouths shut and accept oppression. It is all nonsense. All you have is this life, right now. Stop wasting it on bronze/iron age mythology, and go exploring, fall in love, make the world a better place. Whatever makes you happy.
He's right though, they are fleeting because life is short. Enjoy them while you still can.
I personally do because I love people and would love to meet lots of people and build friendships with them in Heaven, I do know the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ and accepting Him as your Lord & Savior and turning away from your sins.
How do you know? I'm thinking that only God knows this for certain. Instead, you're passing judgment on other under the guise of compassion. Might want to stop that.
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